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re: Low income 4th grade reading scores
Posted on 5/25/23 at 6:23 pm to trinidadtiger
Posted on 5/25/23 at 6:23 pm to trinidadtiger
quote:
Guarantee you will see a dozen or so questions where EVERY child got the answer correct.....and many eraser marks on those same questions. Hmm wonder who changed them????
I mean, in the past that occurred.
Now though, with technology and timed test, that would be really difficult to do.
Perhaps you should actually do some research and
“read”
up on things.
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 6:25 pm to trinidadtiger
This is in 2013........
In three recent years, 33 New Orleans public schools have been flagged for problems and possible cheating on standardized tests, including an excessive number of changed answers, plagiarism and improper test proctoring, according to records provided by the Louisiana Department of Education.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 6:28 pm to trinidadtiger
This from 2020..........
Across the state, 1,497 exams at 299 schools were voided for a variety of reasons, ranging from administrative errors, such as an administrator giving students extra time, to suspected cheating. In total, 134 exams, at 34 public schools, were voided in Orleans Parish, out of about 80 public schools in the city. Last year, 26 New Orleans public schools had 225 voided tests. Of those, 144 were from John F. Kennedy High School.
Across the state, 1,497 exams at 299 schools were voided for a variety of reasons, ranging from administrative errors, such as an administrator giving students extra time, to suspected cheating. In total, 134 exams, at 34 public schools, were voided in Orleans Parish, out of about 80 public schools in the city. Last year, 26 New Orleans public schools had 225 voided tests. Of those, 144 were from John F. Kennedy High School.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 6:28 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:
There's no way we REALLY jumped that much. No freaking way.
This is only for low income kids, not kids as a whole.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 6:38 pm to trinidadtiger
As I mentioned, the most common way to cheat is taking the tests after the children are done and a key where you know:
number 12 is c
number22 is a
number 30 is b
etc, etc.
And the teachers sit down and change the ones where students got it incorrect. Course the test companies run simple programs and kick out the classes where all children got several of the same questions correct. And the teachers are obviously too lazy to individually change various answers. So the program kicks out the tests and the company notices the sloppy erasure marks on the questions.
number 12 is c
number22 is a
number 30 is b
etc, etc.
And the teachers sit down and change the ones where students got it incorrect. Course the test companies run simple programs and kick out the classes where all children got several of the same questions correct. And the teachers are obviously too lazy to individually change various answers. So the program kicks out the tests and the company notices the sloppy erasure marks on the questions.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 6:47 pm to trinidadtiger
quote:
As I mentioned, the most common way to cheat is taking the tests after the children are done and a key where you know:
That’s one hell of a pencil to erase online tests that are submitted via a code.
On a final note…test read aloud are done via a program online.
I get that there was some hard core cheating going on in urban areas before, but if that’s the case now, it isn’t the old fashioned way.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 6:47 pm to anc
Posted on 5/25/23 at 8:48 pm to Marcus Aurelius
Data never lies ... right? ... Figures Don't Lie, but Liars sure can Figure...
Poorly written article that appears to be a PR piece. One graph and no charts with data or how they got these rankings ... unless I have the wrong link.
This appears to be from the 2022 NAEP national data that came out in the second half of 2022.
LINK /
In recent years, MS has indeed improved K12 education... the 2019 data showed that. That does not happen overnight. I'd be inclined to think it goes back to policies laid out a few years back when they moved an Asst Supt from Meridian to being over State C&I. Not sure when she retired. I would not be giving a politician credit without some evidence.
MEANWHILE IN ALABAMA ...
Alabama was 50th in overall NAEP 4th Grade Reading in 2022. Note they state "low income", not overall.
Since Kay Ivey became Lt Gov in 2011, Alabama K-12 has been in a steady decline.
Here are the NAEP 4th Grade Reading Scores during her 12 years as Lt Gov and Gov: NOTE THE TREND ...
Year NAT AL
2022 216 213
2019 219 212
2017 221 216
2015 221 217
2013 221 219
2011 220 220
In short, Mississippi has done a very good job improving K-12 Education, while AL is still lagging behind.
"Thank God for Alabama" can be heard in the state of MS.
... this appears to be the latest NAEP overall score rankings ...
LINK
Poorly written article that appears to be a PR piece. One graph and no charts with data or how they got these rankings ... unless I have the wrong link.
This appears to be from the 2022 NAEP national data that came out in the second half of 2022.
LINK /
In recent years, MS has indeed improved K12 education... the 2019 data showed that. That does not happen overnight. I'd be inclined to think it goes back to policies laid out a few years back when they moved an Asst Supt from Meridian to being over State C&I. Not sure when she retired. I would not be giving a politician credit without some evidence.
MEANWHILE IN ALABAMA ...
Alabama was 50th in overall NAEP 4th Grade Reading in 2022. Note they state "low income", not overall.
Since Kay Ivey became Lt Gov in 2011, Alabama K-12 has been in a steady decline.
Here are the NAEP 4th Grade Reading Scores during her 12 years as Lt Gov and Gov: NOTE THE TREND ...
Year NAT AL
2022 216 213
2019 219 212
2017 221 216
2015 221 217
2013 221 219
2011 220 220
In short, Mississippi has done a very good job improving K-12 Education, while AL is still lagging behind.
"Thank God for Alabama" can be heard in the state of MS.
... this appears to be the latest NAEP overall score rankings ...
LINK
This post was edited on 5/25/23 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 5/26/23 at 11:07 am to trinidadtiger
Mississippi copied Florida's plan in 2013 and Louisiana copied parts of Mississippi's plan. Alabama did the same thing Mississippi did and implemented it last year. It will take a couple years to see the results.
In Mississippi, there is a third grade reading gate. If you cant read at a third grade level by the end of third grade, you don't pass to fourth, period. So there is a ton of focus on reading in third grade and it has paid off.
If you keep being passed and cant read, you cant effectively read for science, history, math class, etc.
Mississippi's graduation rate has gone from 72% to 88% and we've only had one class go through the reading gate and graduate.
In Mississippi, there is a third grade reading gate. If you cant read at a third grade level by the end of third grade, you don't pass to fourth, period. So there is a ton of focus on reading in third grade and it has paid off.
If you keep being passed and cant read, you cant effectively read for science, history, math class, etc.
Mississippi's graduation rate has gone from 72% to 88% and we've only had one class go through the reading gate and graduate.
This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 11:08 am
Posted on 5/26/23 at 11:09 am to jimmy the leg
quote:
To be fair, they have put in place a system that works (and works well). It is based on hard work and accountability. Credit where it’s due. As for Louisiana, the implementation of literacy programs at the elementary and middle school level (complete with “reading coaches”) seems to be paying off as well.
Shhhh. Everyone always needs to justify the “shittiness” that is Louisiana
Posted on 5/26/23 at 11:10 am to anc
Now don't ask them to do any math, but making strides one decade at a time.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 11:14 am to anc
My kids are in the MS public school system they place heavy emphasis on state level testing along with common assessments to see how they stack up for grade level these are taken a few times a school year. We have been very pleased with the education here so far and I dare say it’s on par at least in my district (near the top of the heap statewide) with what I was paying thousands a year for in the Catholic school system. Heavy Christian values along with patriotism exist in our public schools as well.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 11:43 am to anc
Many schools in the north closed their doors for covid, when many in the south didn’t. I’m sure this has set them back some.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 11:45 am to DesScorp
quote:
quote:
There's no way we REALLY jumped that much. No freaking way.
This is only for low income kids, not kids as a whole.
I understand that. I CAN read.
My point still stands.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 11:49 am to anc
Back in 2015 Mississippi started 3rd grade reading gate. Been a big success.
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