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re: Louisiana Medicaid projected $650,000,000 under budget for FY

Posted on 12/8/17 at 4:31 pm to
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 12/8/17 at 4:31 pm to
I don't care how many parties you've gotten drunk at. You're confusing Medicare with Medicaid.

An orthopedic surgery practice which won't accept Medicare would lose almost half of its potential customer market.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
22864 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 4:39 pm to
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You clearly have no idea how Medicaid works.


Do you? I am involved with writing Medicaid policy for a state that has expanded Medicaid. What do you want to talk about?
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
16624 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 4:41 pm to
Whats next from you, are you going to say the OP has a vested interested in people being sick and dying?
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33438 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 5:07 pm to
You might want to go back and reread carefully all the "may", "could", "might", "possibly" in that article

Because its just 6 months in, folks haven't caught on yet
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60781 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 5:43 pm to
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rather just be a doctor. But you wouldn’t understand.
go work for a charity.

Most docs I know don’t view their services as a commodity
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
43976 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 5:45 pm to
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Louisiana Medicaid projected $650,000,000 under budget for FY


1. Wait until the year is over. Mid-year projections are never right.

2. 1 mid-year projected surplus doesn't mean shite. Show me a 3-5 year end of the year surplus and you might convince that the medicaid expansion was a good thing.

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Amazing what happens when people get access to primary care instead of flooding the ER.


If you're really 4 years out of med school as you claim to be, then you should be able to understand the following.

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The effect of Medicaid coverage on health and the use of health care services is of first-order policy importance, particularly as policymakers consider expansions of public health insurance. Estimating the effects of expanding Medicaid is challenging, however, because Medicaid enrollees and the uninsured differ in many ways that may also affect outcomes of interest. Oregon’s 2008 expansion of Medicaid through random-lottery selection of potential enrollees from a waiting list offers the opportunity to assess Medicaid’s effects with a randomized evaluation that is not contaminated by such confounding factors. In a previous examination of the Oregon Health Insurance Experiment, we found that Medicaid coverage increased health care use across a range of settings, improved financial security, and reduced rates of depression among enrollees, but it produced no detectable changes in several measures of physical health, employment rates, or earnings.1-4

A key finding was that Medicaid increased emergency department (ED) visits by 40% in the first 15 months after people won the lottery.3 This finding was greeted with considerable attention and surprise, given the widespread belief that expanding Medicaid coverage to more uninsured people would encourage the use of primary care and thereby reduce ED use. Many observers speculated that the increase in ED use would abate over time as the newly insured found alternative sites of care or as their health needs were addressed and their health improved. One commentator, for example, raised the question, “But why did these patients go to the ED and not to a primary care office?” He hypothesized that “Despite the earlier finding that coverage increased outpatient use, many of these newly insured patients probably had not yet established relationships with primary care physicians. If so, the excess ED use will attenuate with time.”5


ED visits actually go up after medicaid expansion.

[quote]For policymakers deliberating about Medicaid expansions, our results, which draw on the strength of a randomized, controlled design, suggest that newly insured people will most likely use more health care across settings — including the ED and the hospital — for at least 2 years and that expanded coverage is unlikely to drive substantial substitution of office visits for ED use.[/quote] NEJM

Here is another study showing ED visits rising after medicaid expansion.
Here is a 3rd study showing ER visits rising after medicaid expansion

Louisiana is still within the first 2 year window after medicaid expansion, so it is highly unlikely that decreased ER usage is the reason why there is a mid-year projected surplus.
This post was edited on 12/8/17 at 6:00 pm
Posted by fatboydave
Fat boy land
Member since Aug 2004
17979 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:44 pm to
Have no fear Honor Code tax man is here!
Posted by JKLazurus
Member since Jun 2016
261 posts
Posted on 12/9/17 at 12:04 am to
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Do you? I am involved with writing Medicaid policy for a state that has expanded Medicaid. What do you want to talk about?


Which one?
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 12/9/17 at 12:10 am to
Your idealism will die the day you rely on reimbursement from Medicaid.
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 12/9/17 at 12:19 am to
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Was a campaign promise of your orange overlord that I actually agreed with.


You seem like an a-hole.

Posted by JKLazurus
Member since Jun 2016
261 posts
Posted on 12/9/17 at 12:26 am to
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Message Louisiana Medicaid projected $650,000,000 under budget for FY by WeeWee quote: Louisiana Medicaid projected $650,000,000 under budget for FY 1. Wait until the year is over. Mid-year projections are never right. 2. 1 mid-year projected surplus doesn't mean shite. Show me a 3-5 year end of the year surplus and you might convince that the medicaid expansion was a good thing. ETA: quote: Amazing what happens when people get access to primary care instead of flooding the ER. If you're really 4 years out of med school as you claim to be, then you should be able to understand the following. quote: The effect of Medicaid coverage on health and the use of health care services is of first-order policy importance, particularly as policymakers consider expansions of public health insurance. Estimating the effects of expanding Medicaid is challenging, however, because Medicaid enrollees and the uninsured differ in many ways that may also affect outcomes of interest. Oregon’s 2008 expansion of Medicaid through random-lottery selection of potential enrollees from a waiting list offers the opportunity to assess Medicaid’s effects with a randomized evaluation that is not contaminated by such confounding factors. In a previous examination of the Oregon Health Insurance Experiment, we found that Medicaid coverage increased health care use across a range of settings, improved financial security, and reduced rates of depression among enrollees, but it produced no detectable changes in several measures of physical health, employment rates, or earnings.1-4 A key finding was that Medicaid increased emergency department (ED) visits by 40% in the first 15 months after people won the lottery.3 This finding was greeted with considerable attention and surprise, given the widespread belief that expanding Medicaid coverage to more uninsured people would encourage the use of primary care and thereby reduce ED use. Many observers speculated that the increase in ED use would abate over time as the newly insured found alternative sites of care or as their health needs were addressed and their health improved. One commentator, for example, raised the question, “But why did these patients go to the ED and not to a primary care office?” He hypothesized that “Despite the earlier finding that coverage increased outpatient use, many of these newly insured patients probably had not yet established relationships with primary care physicians. If so, the excess ED use will attenuate with time.”5 ED visits actually go up after medicaid expansion.
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For policymakers deliberating about Medicaid expansions, our results, which draw on the strength of a randomized, controlled design, suggest that newly insured people will most likely use more health care across settings — including the ED and the hospital — for at least 2 years and that expanded coverage is unlikely to drive substantial substitution of office visits for ED use.
NEJM Here is another study showing ED visits rising after medicaid expansion. Here is a 3rd study showing ER visits rising after medicaid expansion Louisiana is still within the first 2 year window after medicaid expansion, so it is highly unlikely that decreased ER usage is the reason why there is a mid-year projected surplus


Wee wee gets it.

Search the Advocate twelve months ago. This is the second year in a row LDH has promoted a surplus.

Like I posted last year, the LDH press releases are regularly modified and amended as needed, and according to the anticipated audience.

..."LDH's fiscal forecast report predicts that, because of the infusion of federal dollars tied to Medicaid, the department will end the budget cycle next June with a modest $2.85 million surplus, after facing deficits in five of the previous six years." Unfortunately, the Advocate has yet to follow up on that press release, because LDH immediately revised their numbers following their October PR push. When the anticipated fiscal report was compiled in December, it was quietly noted that the roughly $3 million surplus was revised to a $300 million deficit. That number has been further revised in the January report, which currently stands at a $340 million deficit for the current fiscal year.

Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 12/9/17 at 1:34 am to
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Insurance companies suck billions out the health care industry in profits without providing any services.


The government does the same thing. That is why I favor abolishing all insurance and going to a direct consumer pays model paired with 100% tax deductible HSA's.
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