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Looking at young Rittenhouse from another Angle

Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:28 pm
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:28 pm
State laws vary on the right to use deadly force to protect property. In Texas, for instance, you may use deadly force to protect YOUR OWN property, but NOT the property of another.

We do not know all the facts yet, but let's assume that Wisconsin law is similar and that the car lot did not belong to young Rittenhouse. Maybe someone knows the answers to these questions.

Set aside the self-defense question for a moment, because that is addressed LATER.

"Deadly force" is usually defined to include threatening the use of ACTUAL deadly force. If young Rittenhouse used that sort of "implied" deadly force to defend the car lot, he might be considered the initial aggressor, even if Molotov guy was the first to actually commit a PHYSICAL use of deadly force.

Under the laws of most states, the initial aggressor loses the protections of the self-defense affirmative defense. If that is the case in Wisconsin, he may run into problems

Again, I have not researched Wisconsin law on this point, and I would welcome input from anyone familiar with it.

There is no doubt in my mind that he was ACTUALLY defending himself. The question I raise is whether the LAW will allow him to present that defense.

I anticipate 10:1 downvotes for even asking the question, but this thread still might generate some interesting analysis from those who LIKE analysis and not just pep rallies. In other words, about one person in ten will even understand the purpose of the thread.


EDIT: I was close. Looks like about 12:1 right now.
This post was edited on 8/26/20 at 3:50 pm
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:29 pm to
He probably shouldn't have been out, but I don't see how he doesn't have the right to defend himself in that moment from what I've seen.
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:30 pm to
Is your own skull considered your own property because the skateboard was going for his skull??
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:30 pm to

Then a jury nullification education spree is warranted.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:30 pm to
quote:

Again, I have not researched Wisconsin law on this point, and I would welcome input from anyone familiar with it.



I posted the law for you after you declared he broke it already in the other thread.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:30 pm to


I'm going to wear out this picture before too long.
Posted by timdonaghyswhistle
Member since Jul 2018
20798 posts
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:31 pm to
Here's my input to your angle.

Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:31 pm to
Video, showed him being chased into the car lot area.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:31 pm to
That literally makes no sense.

If I understand what you are saying...

He was actually using deadly force simply be carrying a gun at the car lot. And since the car lot wasn't his, he wasn't allowed to use deadly force and therefore became the aggressor, giving Molotov cocktail the right to actually defend himself by throwing his cock at Rittenhouse?

Is that about what you are saying?
Posted by Sput
Member since Mar 2020
9106 posts
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

Again, I have not researched Wisconsin law on this point,


Typical lib spewing garbage out of that piehole. How about going and researching before you go asking questions
Posted by mightyMick
Member since Aug 2018
3067 posts
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:32 pm to
Two people are dead because a thug wouldn't obey the police.
Posted by Jorts R Us
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:32 pm to
189 downvotes minimum
Posted by Geauxboy
NW Arkansas
Member since Oct 2006
4856 posts
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

We do not know all the facts yet, but let's assume


Stopped here.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

Is your own skull considered your own property because the skateboard was going for his skull??
We could argue whether that second confrontation was a distinct one (making your question relevant) or a continuation (making it irrelevant).

But here I am more concentrating on the shooting of Molotov guy.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:34 pm to
quote:

Two people are dead because a thug wouldn't obey the police


Well those two shouldn't have been out there either
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46227 posts
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:34 pm to
What's your point. The gun was never used in defense of property, only in defense of his own life.
Posted by BlackHelicopterPilot
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Member since Feb 2004
52841 posts
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:35 pm to
I would suggest that if I am the initial aggressor and then RUN AWAY while you chase me....then, that "initial" stuff is out the window.


If a person runs away...the threat is over. It is why I have no duty to back down (where I am..'stand my ground') But, if you retreat, then I have to let you go.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Member since Dec 2009
43970 posts
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:35 pm to
She wouldn't have gotten raped if she hadn't been wearing that! AMIRITE?!?!
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:35 pm to
quote:

I posted the law for you after you declared he broke it already in the other thread.
The possession question is entirely distinct and not related to this "self-defense" issue. But thanks for posting it over there, where it WAS relevant.
Posted by MAGA
Member since Sep 2016
618 posts
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:36 pm to
quote:

here is no doubt in my mind that he was ACTUALLY defending himself
[quote]

Even you see it.....but you still want to troll.

The jury system in this country is probably on the verge of royally fricking your profession.

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