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Looking at young Rittenhouse from another Angle
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:28 pm
State laws vary on the right to use deadly force to protect property. In Texas, for instance, you may use deadly force to protect YOUR OWN property, but NOT the property of another.
We do not know all the facts yet, but let's assume that Wisconsin law is similar and that the car lot did not belong to young Rittenhouse. Maybe someone knows the answers to these questions.
Set aside the self-defense question for a moment, because that is addressed LATER.
"Deadly force" is usually defined to include threatening the use of ACTUAL deadly force. If young Rittenhouse used that sort of "implied" deadly force to defend the car lot, he might be considered the initial aggressor, even if Molotov guy was the first to actually commit a PHYSICAL use of deadly force.
Under the laws of most states, the initial aggressor loses the protections of the self-defense affirmative defense. If that is the case in Wisconsin, he may run into problems
Again, I have not researched Wisconsin law on this point, and I would welcome input from anyone familiar with it.
There is no doubt in my mind that he was ACTUALLY defending himself. The question I raise is whether the LAW will allow him to present that defense.
I anticipate 10:1 downvotes for even asking the question, but this thread still might generate some interesting analysis from those who LIKE analysis and not just pep rallies. In other words, about one person in ten will even understand the purpose of the thread.
EDIT: I was close. Looks like about 12:1 right now.
We do not know all the facts yet, but let's assume that Wisconsin law is similar and that the car lot did not belong to young Rittenhouse. Maybe someone knows the answers to these questions.
Set aside the self-defense question for a moment, because that is addressed LATER.
"Deadly force" is usually defined to include threatening the use of ACTUAL deadly force. If young Rittenhouse used that sort of "implied" deadly force to defend the car lot, he might be considered the initial aggressor, even if Molotov guy was the first to actually commit a PHYSICAL use of deadly force.
Under the laws of most states, the initial aggressor loses the protections of the self-defense affirmative defense. If that is the case in Wisconsin, he may run into problems
Again, I have not researched Wisconsin law on this point, and I would welcome input from anyone familiar with it.
There is no doubt in my mind that he was ACTUALLY defending himself. The question I raise is whether the LAW will allow him to present that defense.
I anticipate 10:1 downvotes for even asking the question, but this thread still might generate some interesting analysis from those who LIKE analysis and not just pep rallies. In other words, about one person in ten will even understand the purpose of the thread.
EDIT: I was close. Looks like about 12:1 right now.
This post was edited on 8/26/20 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:29 pm to AggieHank86
He probably shouldn't have been out, but I don't see how he doesn't have the right to defend himself in that moment from what I've seen.
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:30 pm to AggieHank86
Is your own skull considered your own property because the skateboard was going for his skull??
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:30 pm to AggieHank86
Then a jury nullification education spree is warranted.
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:30 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Again, I have not researched Wisconsin law on this point, and I would welcome input from anyone familiar with it.
I posted the law for you after you declared he broke it already in the other thread.
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:30 pm to AggieHank86
I'm going to wear out this picture before too long.
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:31 pm to AggieHank86
Here's my input to your angle.


Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:31 pm to AggieHank86
Video, showed him being chased into the car lot area.
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:31 pm to AggieHank86
That literally makes no sense.
If I understand what you are saying...
He was actually using deadly force simply be carrying a gun at the car lot. And since the car lot wasn't his, he wasn't allowed to use deadly force and therefore became the aggressor, giving Molotov cocktail the right to actually defend himself by throwing his cock at Rittenhouse?
Is that about what you are saying?
If I understand what you are saying...
He was actually using deadly force simply be carrying a gun at the car lot. And since the car lot wasn't his, he wasn't allowed to use deadly force and therefore became the aggressor, giving Molotov cocktail the right to actually defend himself by throwing his cock at Rittenhouse?
Is that about what you are saying?
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:31 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Again, I have not researched Wisconsin law on this point,
Typical lib spewing garbage out of that piehole. How about going and researching before you go asking questions
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:32 pm to momentoftruth87
Two people are dead because a thug wouldn't obey the police.
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:33 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
We do not know all the facts yet, but let's assume
Stopped here.
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:33 pm to More&Les
quote:We could argue whether that second confrontation was a distinct one (making your question relevant) or a continuation (making it irrelevant).
Is your own skull considered your own property because the skateboard was going for his skull??
But here I am more concentrating on the shooting of Molotov guy.
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:34 pm to mightyMick
quote:
Two people are dead because a thug wouldn't obey the police
Well those two shouldn't have been out there either
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:34 pm to AggieHank86
What's your point. The gun was never used in defense of property, only in defense of his own life.
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:35 pm to AggieHank86
I would suggest that if I am the initial aggressor and then RUN AWAY while you chase me....then, that "initial" stuff is out the window.
If a person runs away...the threat is over. It is why I have no duty to back down (where I am..'stand my ground') But, if you retreat, then I have to let you go.
If a person runs away...the threat is over. It is why I have no duty to back down (where I am..'stand my ground') But, if you retreat, then I have to let you go.
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:35 pm to AggieHank86
She wouldn't have gotten raped if she hadn't been wearing that! AMIRITE?!?!
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:35 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:The possession question is entirely distinct and not related to this "self-defense" issue. But thanks for posting it over there, where it WAS relevant.
I posted the law for you after you declared he broke it already in the other thread.
Posted on 8/26/20 at 2:36 pm to AggieHank86
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here is no doubt in my mind that he was ACTUALLY defending himself
Even you see it.....but you still want to troll.
The jury system in this country is probably on the verge of royally fricking your profession.
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