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Local Merchants Robbing States with Zapper Software

Posted on 1/28/18 at 7:51 am
Posted by austintigerdad
Llano County, TX
Member since Nov 2010
1884 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 7:51 am
Yesterday's update in the Jackson MS Daily Journal cites Bloomberg.
quote:

Tax-Zapping Software Costing States $21 Billion

Zapper infestation purportedly infects at least 30 percent of the electronic cash registers, or point of sale systems (POS), in the U.S.

Zappers are designed to enter a POS database and delete selected sales, generally cash transactions. The systems then recalculate individual receipts and the taxes due. In addition, the zapper reorders all sales slips and adjusts the internal ledger. This process informs the operator how much additional cash is in the register for removal at the end of the day. Cash withdrawn from registers is frequently paid to staffers under the table.

While zappers are common in the restaurant industry, the technology has infected almost every retail environment accepting cash payments, including bars, convenience stores, liquor stores, car washes, theaters, dry cleaners, and gas stations.


I'm sick of overpaying taxes to make up the shortfall caused by these cheats.

This sort of fraud is tough to detect. I'd like to see the states and feds find some creative ways to combat it.
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29683 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 7:56 am to
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This sort of fraud is tough to detect. I'd like to see the states and feds find some creative ways to combat it.


the only way I can see to combat this would be to require merchants to use a state approved cash register with an encrypted system

and even then; how do yu stop someone from just not ringing up a sale?

plus; we would see howls of protest about an overreaching government and stifling competition

outside of that; audits of inventory records actual goods on hand; but that would be very tough to do
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29683 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 7:56 am to
also - as a citizen; if this truly pisses you off; the answer is to always pay with a card
Posted by MorgusTheMagnificent
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2014
1852 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 7:57 am to
quote:

I’m sick of overpaying taxes ... these cheats


Get off your high horse, you holier than thou virtue signaler.. how many times have you fudged tax write offs, Church / charity donations?? #DontThrowStones

The Government robs citizens blind to give entitlements. I have no problem with these businesses gaining the system.
Posted by Boatshoes
Member since Dec 2017
6775 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:02 am to
I'm sick of paying taxes as well. Simple solution: eliminate sales taxes.
Posted by austintigerdad
Llano County, TX
Member since Nov 2010
1884 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:06 am to
quote:

the only way I can see to combat this would be to require merchants to use a state approved cash register with an encrypted system
Maybe a lower-cost approach is to:

1) Increase the penalties for point-of-sale tax fraud,

2) Publicize a bounty, anonymity and amnesty to any disgruntled former employee who tips off the tax collectors, and

3) Raid some crooked businesses based on those tip offs, then publicize the fines and jail terms.
Posted by austintigerdad
Llano County, TX
Member since Nov 2010
1884 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:08 am to
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Simple solution: eliminate sales taxes.
How do you make up the shortfall? Close schools, roads and jails?
Posted by TennesseeFan25
Honolulu
Member since May 2016
8391 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:08 am to
quote:

Get off your high horse, you holier than thou virtue signaler.. how many times have you fudged tax write offs, Church / charity donations?? #DontThrowStones



None you fricking loser
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:08 am to
Let's just eliminate sales taxes
Posted by austintigerdad
Llano County, TX
Member since Nov 2010
1884 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:10 am to
quote:

Get off your high horse, you holier than thou virtue signaler.. how many times have you fudged tax write offs, Church / charity donations??
I've cheated on my taxes literally zero times.

I'm one of those commie Libtards who believes in paying what I owe.

If you're a tax cheat GFY.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22353 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:11 am to
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How do you make up the shortfall? Close schools, roads and jails?


Different type of tax? Property? Business license tax?
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:14 am to
I know exactly what goes on, and more than this article knows..but this is confusing actly like Zapper is some sort of virus (using the words infected), but it is actually placed there by the merchant

ALL hard do it, or did it. You think they report the cover charge? Cash tips? Of course not.
Many times it's the workers. Simole as ordering a coke. Puts it in the system and ticket is "open" waiting for payment...customer pays cash, bartender goes back and cancels ticket, pockets cash
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45804 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:18 am to
The higher taxes and buracracy get, the more people cheat...
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
17020 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:24 am to
Just curious, aren't there a few localities in America that don't have sales tax? I would like to hear how they do as far as funding the local governments. Do they make up for it with higher state income taxes?

I am not tax expert and would like to hear some facts from people who know more than me.
Posted by Jack Bauers HnK
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
5709 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:25 am to
Sounds like something a block chain would address in the future.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:25 am to
quote:


This sort of fraud is tough to detect. I'd like to see the states and feds find some creative ways to combat it


I've got $$$ says that it would cost the government more than $21B you stop this
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
67888 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:29 am to
it'll only get worse with cryptocurrencies, which are a high-tech form of barter
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:33 am to
quote:

Sounds like something a block chain would address in the future.



Thats racist.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:33 am to
quote:

Let's just eliminate sales taxes




hell no, this is the only tax that 50% of the country pays.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 8:40 am to
21B is less than 2% of total current sales tax receipts

OP is an idiot.

It's a human endeavor. 98% success rate is actually somewhat amazing.

But more to the point. In all money collection, there are shortfalls. Stores get stuff stolen. Taxes don't get paid. Etc etc.

But, if stopping it costs more than what you'd get, you just eat it.

For example. Most retail stores could easily reduce theft to basically 0%. But it would cost more to do so than they saved
This post was edited on 1/28/18 at 8:41 am
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