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re: Live: Trump announce energy EO’s

Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:20 pm to
Posted by barry
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Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:20 pm to
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From grok:

TL/DR version: self imposed regulatory barriers.



regardless of regulatory requirements, it can't compete with nat gas.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:20 pm to
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We LITERALLY, and i mean LITERALLY, light nat gas on fire (flare) in the Permian because we have too much of it.


It that case, it's because it's not efficient to pipeline it out in that situation.

I'm not saying we should pick one over the other. I'm saying both.

They are both good for the economy, create jobs and energy.
Posted by momentoftruth87
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Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:20 pm to
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Good ole backwards populism


Saving jobs, exports and cheap energy is populism?
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:21 pm to
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We LITERALLY, and i mean LITERALLY, light nat gas on fire (flare) in the Permian because we have too much of it.


That is at every well that doesn't have a market (pipeline) for the gas from the well.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:23 pm to

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Saving jobs, exports and cheap energy is populism?


No populists cant see the forest for the trees.

You'll lose exports in a trade war, and gas is more efficient and cleaner than coal.

Posted by barry
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Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:23 pm to
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It that case, it's because it's not efficient to pipeline it out in that situation.


its economics, not efficiency. The pipelines doesn' exist because its not economical. WHY?

Say it with me. BECAUSE we are sitting on more nat gas than we know what to do with.

quote:

I'm not saying we should pick one over the other. I'm saying both.


Dumb, there is no advantage to leverage coal

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They are both good for the economy, create jobs and energy.


It's more expensive, so its worse for the economy than natural gas
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:24 pm to
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Why?



Because Alabama mines a lot of coal?
Posted by barry
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Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:25 pm to
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That is at every well that doesn't have a market (pipeline) for the gas from the well.


You don't need to explain O&G to me, I've been working in it for 20 years
Posted by momentoftruth87
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Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:26 pm to
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No populists cant see the forest for the trees. You'll lose exports in a trade war, and gas is more efficient and cleaner than coal.


What about deregulation, mister conservative? Guess you’re not very conservative
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:26 pm to
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regardless of regulatory requirements, it can't compete with nat gas.


You are right on a one to one basis.

It take about 10000 btus of coal to produce 1 kWhr of electricity.

It takes about 7000 btus of NG to produce 1 kWhr of electricity.

That is, less energy from NG is needed to product 1kWhr of electricity than it takes from coal.

Where coal has an advantage is out West (mountainous West) where there are large deposits of coal but not much NG.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:29 pm to
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No populists cant see the forest for the trees.



You keep arguing the populists thing but in terms of coal it will be used if the business case works. Trump is just trying to remove regulatory costs in the business case. There is no romantic idea of using coal or not. It simply comes down to whether or not a coal project makes economic sense or not.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:30 pm to
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You don't need to explain O&G to me, I've been working in it for 20 years


Noted.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:30 pm to

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You keep arguing the populists thing


Its the only reason to bring back coal fired plants. They are unnecessary.




Posted by barry
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Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:31 pm to
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Where coal has an advantage is out West (mountainous West) where there are large deposits of coal but not much NG.



I don't think it should be abolished or banned, but let the free market work.

Also let it sit in the ground, the gas is coming out regardless in oil plays, so use that first.
Posted by GamecockUltimate
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Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:32 pm to
The real answer is nuclear. The fact it isn't the #1 push makes no sense to me. It's clean, fairly reusable, and generates massive amounts of power. We have let the energy industry put out so much propaganda against it.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:33 pm to

There are plenty of locations where natural gas is produced and transported in west texas. Sure they flare it in some spots.

quote:

It's more expensive, so its worse for the economy than natural gas


You wouldn't think that if you lived in a coal producing area.

Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:34 pm to
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We LITERALLY, and i mean LITERALLY, light nat gas on fire (flare) in the Permian because we have too much of it.


Well…….that’ll get you fines these days if you do it on the New Mexico side without a damn good safety reason.

But you are correct. The problem is lack a takeaway infrastructure. Coal could at least bridge that time gap for a bit.

You know how the government was awarding all types of DOE grants for carbon capture and other shite thanks to the Biden IRA? If we (our government and politicians) were smart, we’d be redirecting those already “dedicated” spends to midstream companies to build even more gas takeaway pipelines.
Posted by back9Tiger
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Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:34 pm to
You are insufferable at this point. You're life must be a series of miseries tied up with a Zoloft bow.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298326 posts
Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:34 pm to
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You are insufferable at this point.


Youre in a cult.

Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:34 pm to
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Its the only reason to bring back coal fired plants. They are unnecessary.



Populism will not determined whether a coal project is a go or no-go.

It's economics.

Trump is just trying to remove regulatory cost.

Ironically Biden removed taxes through CCS tax credits if the coal fired plant decides to sequester it's CO2 emissions.

The economics will be the driver. Not the Steve Bannon War Room.
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