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re: Listen to what Independents like me are saying, and you'll understand American politics

Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:30 pm to
Posted by Jake88
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:30 pm to
I'm still waiting for you to point out my hypocrisy.
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I hope you are not affected. Really -- I mean that.
I'm not affected, but I do worry for others who might be. Like in Ferguson, they destroyed black owned businesses. People who had worked their entire lives for something productive, and, poof, it's gone.
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Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:30 pm to
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I hope you're not actually expecting a response to this that doesn't involve deflection.
absolutely not
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:30 pm to
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OK we agree on something. Keep them apart.


And if they're not kept apart, and the group that is permitted to demonstrate is interrupted, violently, by the unpermitted group, who is at fault?

Posted by bengalfan50
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2009
2691 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:30 pm to
Your a paid troll go away.....
Posted by TxTiger82
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:31 pm to
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Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:32 pm to
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I reject the idea that ANTIFA "punched" first in many instances, including Charlottesville.


Because you reject reality based on your political bias.

ANTIFA approached the white supremacists. One group was permitted to be there. The other wasn't. Period.

Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:32 pm to
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I reject the idea that ANTIFA "punched" first in many instances, including Charlottesville.

Fine. How about the recent incidents on the west coast where there is no doubt that antifa attacked lawful assemblies?
Posted by TxTiger82
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:33 pm to
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Posted by Jax-Tiger
Vero Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:33 pm to
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I feel sorry for your children that you would condemn them for defending themselves from bullies.



Recently, we had riots in Portland between the Patriot Prayer group and ANTIFA. Who were the bullies and who were just defending themselves?

The Patriot Prayer group had a permit to demonstrate. The ANTIFA folks showed up specifically to start violence.

The ANTIFA group say that they are the good guys because Patriot Prayer is racist.
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:33 pm to
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:34 pm to

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Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:34 pm to
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And if they're not kept apart, and the group that is permitted to demonstrate is interrupted, violently, by the unpermitted group, who is at fault?
Forcibly keep them apart. Don't allow them to march towards each other. Let them all "speak" but nowhere near each other.
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:36 pm to
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Posted by mountaintop
Member since Oct 2017
740 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:36 pm to
I'm an Independent.

I don't like either political party.

Stop with the 2 major political parties, their influence is destroying the nation.

It's time for new political parties.

Stop with the far right conservatism and the far left progressivism.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46210 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:36 pm to
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Did the Unite the Right folks have a permit on the night of the torchlight rally at the Lee statue? No, they didn't.


Link.

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Did they instigate an attack on the roughly 15 ANTIFA counterprotesters surrounding the statue? Yes, they did.



So you're standing in a location, and a guy walks up to you starting shite. You're saying you're the one that started it?

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Both sides are hateful and should be condemned in the strongest possible terms.



Condemned as assholes? Of course. But I will not compromise on the belief that you have the right to speak whatever vile shite you want. And I will condemn any group that attempts to stop this. Especially with physical violence.

Whether that be the Unite the Right trying to stop ANTIFA from speaking, or ANTIFA trying to stop the Unite the Right folks from speaking.

Again, it's telling you don't defend the right of a group to speak because you dislike them.

ANTIFA disgusts me to the utter core. They represent everything I hate in politics. And I will defend their right to speak, unmolested, always.

Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38344 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:38 pm to
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Both sides are hateful and should be condemned in the strongest possible terms.

That would be fine in a vacuum but the fact is that antifa is actively attacking free speech. The men who founded this country thought that was worth fighting for and so do I.
Posted by mountaintop
Member since Oct 2017
740 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:38 pm to
Anybody who is paying any attention to current events today CANNOT be an Independent. Only a blind idiot could be a real Independent, so, frick you.

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Why? Do all Americans have to be a Republican or a Democrat?
Posted by subotic
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:38 pm to
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80048 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:38 pm to
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It's time for new political parties.
Those would be shite shows worse than what we have now. Power and money will always consolidate behind only two parties in this country short of a destructive, chaotic "reorganization."
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