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re: Lindsay Graham says the US has blocked the Pols from giving the Ukrainian’s some Migs.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 3:19 pm to RollingwiththeTide
Posted on 3/5/22 at 3:19 pm to RollingwiththeTide
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The lesson we should learn is that it doesn’t always take a military action to get you into a war. If you are squeezing another country pretty hard with economic sanctions they just might attack you back using a military action and starting a world war.
Japan expected the US entry to the war was inevitable. So they chose to to do it on their terms.
Your point actually supports my earlier comment that if Putin wants WWIII, it will happen either way. For Japan, it was inevitable.
If Putin doesnt want WWIII, he won’t escalate.
To use your example further, had the US completely turned its back on Europe to appease Hitler and not “provoke”, we’d have likely been attacked on 2 fronts by a much larger force.
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 3:21 pm to RollingwiththeTide
Lindsay Graham is an attention seeker. I do not believe anything from his mouth.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 3:25 pm to BobBoucher
quote:we actually did. Hitler declared war on the US not the other way around
To use your example further, had the US completely turned its back on Europe to appease Hitler and not “provoke”,
Posted on 3/5/22 at 3:27 pm to David_DJS
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Okay, but what if that's what Putin is counting on? I mean, that's weakness from his perspective, right?
No. Putin doesn’t expect the west to play the way he plays.
Putin undermines, but avoids direct confrontation. We’ve been openly afraid to “provoke” him with weapons shipments on the past. He’s banking on this weakness.
We’d be best served to think like him and operate like him. We do that, and they t may very well get Putin overthrown if Ukraine becomes a massive failure.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 3:28 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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fair enough. But they left me with the impression that you favor direct NATO involvement in the Ukraine to confront the bully. If not then I stand corrected
No. I’m advocating indirect/clandestine support to undermine his war effort.
Like what Russia did against us in Afghanistan and Iraq.
This post was edited on 3/5/22 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 3/5/22 at 3:30 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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we actually did. Hitler declared war on the US not the other way around
We’ll, there you go.
Goes back to the point if a madman wants world war, he’ll get it either way.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 3:35 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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Putin obviously has signaled that he's willing to start WW3 if NATO intervenes. I think he's crazy enough to do it. Everyone loses in that event. I'm with the administration on not taking that chance right now. Cripple him economically and let him burn himself out in the Ukraine. Sucks for them but does anyone really want missiles flying?
bullshite… Trump would have told Putin you do whatever you think you have to do but if you cross this line Ill march troops to moscow. Trump would have destroyed a few of those trucks and tanks and Putin would have stopped. If you think putin would really fire off a nuke I dont know what to tell you. Call his bluff
Posted on 3/5/22 at 3:49 pm to RollingwiththeTide
It's called Joe and Hunter Biden et al playing CYA. Plugs agrees to let the Ruskies have Ukraine. In exchange Putin agrees to destroy the paper / money trail leading from Burisma et al to the Biden Crime Syndicate. No telling how many billions was laundered in the Ukraine by the Clinton / Pelosi / Biden Crime Syndicate.
Remember it was the "outsider Donald Trump" who told us it was hard for the average American to comprehend the level of corruption in Wasington,D.C. I believed him then and I believe him now.
Remember it was the "outsider Donald Trump" who told us it was hard for the average American to comprehend the level of corruption in Wasington,D.C. I believed him then and I believe him now.
This post was edited on 3/5/22 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 3/5/22 at 4:00 pm to BobBoucher
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We’d be best served to think like him and operate like him. We do that, and they t may very well get Putin overthrown if Ukraine becomes a massive failure.
He invaded Ukraine. I’m not following your logic.
At any rate, I think Biden, Blinken, Donner and Blitzen are pretty much morons, and not unlike too many in their offices before them. This chess playing is what got us in this position today, as well as Afghanistan and Iraq.
Maybe we stop fricking with everybody, and simply make very clear red lines known - and when those lines are cleared, we, not proxies, we frick the line crossers up.
I wonder what percentage of American manufactured military equipment/materials is out of American hands.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 4:08 pm to guy4lsu
Call Putin what you will insane, corrupt, or delusional. The one thing you can’t call him is stupid. He knows that if he first launches both the US and the rest of Western Europe will launch back. Even the roaches will not survive that. He may live and the rest of the Russian elite that has time enough to get into the bunker but some of those folks will have family members that won’t make it. So he will have to spend the rest of his life in a bunker with a lot of people that will want to kill him. I bet he wouldn’t make it 24hrs before his bodyguards turn on him and kill him. He would have to have a death wish to pull a 1st strike move like that.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 4:10 pm to UncleFestersLegs
I just don’t sense that Putin has invested in a war machine like Hitler did. He has a bunch of leftover stuff from the Cold War. Stuff that our military absolutely destroyed in the first Gulf War.
I suspect Putin is recognizing he has issues in his military preparedness and equipment he will continue to bluster; but he isn’t going anywhere else by Ukraine.
I suspect Putin is recognizing he has issues in his military preparedness and equipment he will continue to bluster; but he isn’t going anywhere else by Ukraine.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 4:17 pm to LSUBadger
Some of that stuff looks like Red Army surplus from after the Battle of Stalingrad. I think they must spen most of the military budget on stuff like Cyber and big weapon systems like hypersonic missiles vacuum bombs and Foab.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 4:27 pm to RollingwiththeTide
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I think they must spen most of the military budget on stuff like Cyber and big weapon systems like hypersonic missiles vacuum bombs and Foab.
As they should. With modern weapons a brand new M1 Abrams isn't all that much better at protecting the crew than something from the 70's.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 4:41 pm to RollingwiththeTide
You do know that Rushia has Hunters laptop info AND HRCs emails. No telling what other info they have regarding Hiden and his family.
Chy nuh and Iran have it all too.
Chy nuh and Iran have it all too.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 5:02 pm to RollingwiththeTide
You do know that Rushia has Hunters laptop info AND HRCs emails. No telling what other info they have regarding Hiden and his family.
Chy nuh and Iran have it all too.
The democrats cried "Trump collusion with Rushia", when they are the ones who have been compromised the whole time. They lied to voters to get elected.
Gullible voters voted for them.
Chy nuh and Iran have it all too.
The democrats cried "Trump collusion with Rushia", when they are the ones who have been compromised the whole time. They lied to voters to get elected.
Gullible voters voted for them.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 5:44 pm to David_DJS
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He invaded Ukraine. I’m not following your logic.
Do to him what he did to us In Afghanistan and Iraq (armed and supported our enemy).
But yeah - this mess has US fingerprints all over it. Putin wa a clear about his red line. No one listened.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 6:52 pm to lsucoonass
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None of this shite is making sense anymore
Biden and the Dems wanted Putin to invade Ukraine and all their outrage is just political theater. Putin is their convenient scapegoat for everything bad that they caused for our country. Bad economy? Putin's fault. Supply chain issues? Putin's fault. Every decision, including this one, is about keeping themselves in power.
This post was edited on 3/5/22 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:14 pm to BobBoucher
A swift russian victory is the best outcome from several perspectives. Sucks if you are ukranian and want to be sovereign though.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:52 pm to RollingwiththeTide
Miss Lindsay to write a strongly worded letter.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:55 pm to RollingwiththeTide
Joe is afraid that Vlad will quit selling us oil.
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