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re: Like to hear the libertarian reaction to Trump's handling of Iran...
Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:41 pm to Zach
Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:41 pm to Zach
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I don't know any libertarians of whom you speak. There is nothing that Trump has done that is inconsistent with libertarian philosophy. Freedom = protection of property and self. Terrorism violates both.
Oh, there was wailing and gnashing of teeth, just yesterday. Don't play dumb.
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:42 pm to upgrayedd
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The hate for libertarians and libertarian-leaning people here is weird
What's weird is claiming to be fiscally conservative but not having a problem with open borders.
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:43 pm to Caplewood
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That and the support of open borders, the worshipping of corporations, and the promotion of rampant degeneracy
Eh, there are extremes in every political faction.
You'll find the same in capitalism purists or marxism purists.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:44 pm to troyt37
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Several of you were having a hissy about going to congress, and Trump getting us into a protracted war with Iran, etc.
So now it appears that Trump's, and what many of you call the neocon action against Iran, was in fact the absolute correct move. Iran appears to have re-learned the fact that when we have a president with balls, we can wreck their shite at the drop of a hat, and we don't have to sacrifice as much as a papercut to do it.
The purpose of this thread is twofold. Consider it a place to explain how the Trump (neocon) action wasn't exactly the correct course to take with Iran.
Or, consider it a place to publicly admit that the libertarian sky screaming, waiting on Nancy Pelosi to give her blessing (while more Americans are killed or maimed) was in fact bullshite, and stupid.
Go!
Summary: someone called OP a neocon and he is still melting
Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:44 pm to upgrayedd
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The hate for libertarians and libertarian-leaning people here is weird
Because most of them are faux intellectual irrational contrarians and don’t actually have an ideology.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:44 pm to upgrayedd
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The hate for libertarians and libertarian-leaning people here is weird
It's not hate as much as it is bewilderment and irritation that so many of them pulling the shite they pull allows socialist democrats to have their way more often than not. Most of them are smart enough to know this, and know that it is utter bullshite, many times even knowing that doing so will cost lives, but they do it anyway.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:45 pm to 93and99
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The hate for libertarians and libertarian-leaning people here is weird
Conservatives don't hate libertarians; they find fake libertarians annoying, and there are a lot of them.
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:47 pm to troyt37
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It's not hate as much as it is bewilderment and irritation that so many of them pulling the shite they pull allows socialist democrats to have their way more often than not. Most of them are smart enough to know this, and know that it is utter bullshite, many times even knowing that doing so will cost lives, but they do it anyway.
IDK, you can call them idealistic, but I wouldn't say they're dumb.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:48 pm to upgrayedd
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The hate for libertarians and libertarian-leaning people here is weird
It's their support for open borders that grow government and crush western civilization, supporting giant corporations that cater to the left and shite on conservatives and support moral degeneracy like SJW pet causes in trannies.
And that's just on top of being foolish, cowardly and naive isolationists in foreign policy.
Basically libertarians right now.....
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:48 pm to LSU Patrick
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I still don't believe any true libertarians exist.
I am one. There are about 5 others in America. I've been debating the issue on sites long before I came here. And IRL long before I owned a computer.
For 20 years when challenged I simply say "Name one position I've taken that is not consistent with libertarianism." If they try, I crush them and they go away.
It's very complicated and reading the books is important. But the simple explanation is freedom and property are synonyms. Collectivism is therefore the opposite of freedom.
There are HUGE problems with the Libertarian Party (which I've discussed here) but there is also the problem of libertarian purity. If you submit a list of 50 policy issues and ask 'What is your view as a libertarian' and 49 answers agree with the questioner, then the questioner will say 'What? No. 36! You're not a REAL libertarian.'
It's always been that way.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:48 pm to upgrayedd
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IDK, you can call them idealistic, but I wouldn't say they're dumb.
Most are not dumb. A lot of them are naive or confused about libertarian principles.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:49 pm to troyt37
I would say he handled it well. Thank you, Mr. President for doing so!
That being said, I won't vote for him in the next General Election. But, best of luck to him. When any President succeeds for the good of America, we all succeed. I still think there are better candidates for the office.
That being said, I won't vote for him in the next General Election. But, best of luck to him. When any President succeeds for the good of America, we all succeed. I still think there are better candidates for the office.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:49 pm to LSU Patrick
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Conservatives don't hate libertarians; they find fake libertarians annoying, and there are a lot of them.
I think there's an unrealistic expectation from conservatives that libertarians should agree with them all the time.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:50 pm to Wednesday
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I lean Libertarian. I’m not a registered libertarian. I tend to want us to get the hell out of foreign countries. But I’m not a dove. If you hit us, I want hellfire and destruction waged upon you. I believe the takeout on solemani was justified due to the attack on the embassy that he planned, regardless of whether he was planning something else. But the fact that he was actually in Iraq leads me to believe he was in fact planning attack on our people. If you set a redline, and the enemy crosses, there has to be a response and a true show of force. If I had my druthers we would have left the day the rest of the assholes aligned with Iran voted for their dumb resolution to have us leave. But it all worked out well anyway. Trump’s indication that he won’t retaliate is perfect. It shows that we only will take such drastic measures if you actually attack Americans and harm them, not if you just posture. They didn’t hit us, they just had a swing and a miss. Couldn’t be more pleased.
Your posts make me feel like an old pervert. Maybe the sig pic plays into it, but I think it's more about what you post. It is my sincere hope that both of my sons find a woman who thinks like you do.
Believe it or not, I lean libertarian on many subjects. I think that is part of what irritates me, when they go stupid on important stuff, like defending Americans and American interests.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:52 pm to 93and99
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What's weird is claiming to be fiscally conservative but not having a problem with open borders.
Real libertarians (and there are very few) oppose open borders. The philosophy is very consistent. America is relatively free.
Proposition: 'Do you support 100 million people crossing the border into the US to establish Communism and destroy all freedom?'
Open Border Libertarian: 'Uh, well, I guess not.'
Then you are not for open borders, moron.
Open Border Libertarian: 'Oh, I guess you're right. Thanks, Zach.'
Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:52 pm to Zach
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It's very complicated and reading the books is important. But the simple explanation is freedom and property are synonyms. Collectivism is therefore the opposite of freedom.
I agree. I read the Libertarian Manifesto. I found that I agreed with a lot of it in principle but had a hard time applying it to the real word in a few areas. I imagine that's a lot like what the founding fathers experienced when they were building this country.
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:52 pm to troyt37
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Oh, there was wailing and gnashing of teeth, just yesterday. Don't play dumb.
I'm not playing dumb. They were not libertarians. Try to pay attention.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:53 pm to LSU Patrick
that's because libertarians tend to call out conservatives for not being conservative.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:53 pm to Sentrius
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Basically libertarians right now.....
I don't think that's true at all. Libertarians generally realize that those companies are powerful because they have allies in government that protect them from competition and they disagree with that as well.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:53 pm to Zach
How do you stop them without violating the NAP
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