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re: Like to hear the libertarian reaction to Trump's handling of Iran...

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Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 4:40 pm to
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Oh, did I miss another thread where social conservatives shite all over libertarians because we're not in lockstep with them over social issues?
Hard to catalog them all. We have a half-dozen of those threads per week.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 4:42 pm to
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Stop with the Democratic agenda, my views are based on principle.
That principle being that the producers in this country should be on the hook to pay for the wants and needs of anyone who can walk across our border? That principle? You people know we spend somewhere between 15 and 20 billion dollars per year on these criminals, for God's sake.
GOOD LORD.

Point me to ONE libertarian poster who supports the free flow of labor and who does NOT advocate for complete dismantlement of the welfare state.
Posted by efrad
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 4:44 pm to
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Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 4:46 pm to
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What if I told you most libertarians are ok with open borders *after* all welfare programs are ended?
See, this is one of the biggest problems libertarians have. They're not grounded in reality.

They refuse to admit those welfare programs are never ever going to end short of a complete collapse of the United States Government.
I fully-recognize that the programs themselves will never be dismantled, though they SHOULD be dismantled.

But it is not remotely unrealistic to think that we could make those programs unavailable to non-citizens.
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So the next best thing is to make sure we have a tightly controlled and restricted border along with drastic and severe reductions in legal immigration.
No, the "next best thing" is simply to disqualify non-citizens from those programs.
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 4:48 pm
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 4:51 pm to
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See, this is one of the biggest problems libertarians have. They're not grounded in reality.
the "WE ARE BEING INVADED" crowd isn't exactly ground in reality, either

you have people who are complaining Trump hasn't ended birthright citizenship with an EO for Christ's sake
EXACTLY.

The same "conservatives" who claim to worship the text of the Constitution will go through rhetorical gyrations worthy of a circus contortionist to assert that the 14th Amendment does not say what the 14th Amendment SAYS in perhaps the clearest and least-ambiguous language in the entire document.

It is OKAY to say that you do not LIKE what the 14th says and that you would like to see it changed or repealed. Just don't act like one of the "living document" advocates and try to make it say something that it clearly does not say.
Posted by TigerWhatIR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since May 2013
911 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 4:53 pm to
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Well, maybe we should just send that 20 billion dollar bill to the democrat and libertarian parties every year, since they understand it so well. They should understand footing the bill too. Maybe they would understand sharing the murder, rape, and burglary charges that the criminal illegals commit too.


Uh.. no. Why should I be liable for what government steals from all of us when I’m the one who opposes government while you support its existence?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 4:53 pm to
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saying "we need to change the rules" doesn't mean "frick the rules". remember, you are also arguing "we need to change the rules" as well
Change the wording on your website, instead of defending why these maggots illegally cross and then suck at the teat.
AGAIN with the inability to grasp that MANY libertarians think the LPA is FoS.
Posted by efrad
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 4:56 pm to
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Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 4:59 pm to
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So how do we address the problem realistically?

Step 1:
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the republican party purges all the half assed conservatives
Step 2: Control Congress.

Step 3: Profit.
TDPT "conservatives" cannot seem to grasp that "purging" everyone they consider to be a "RINO" would result in a GOP appealing to about 10% of the populace.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13349 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 7:11 pm to
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GOOD LORD.

Point me to ONE libertarian poster who supports the free flow of labor and who does NOT advocate for complete dismantlement of the welfare state.


It doesn’t matter if they advocate for dismantling the welfare state. As I said before, they might as well advocate for abolishing the democrat party. The welfare state is a fact of life, until this country is destroyed by the debt, and sloth that the welfare state creates.

Now, do you advocate accelerating that destruction from debt and sloth, by allowing criminal illegals to walk over our southern border, or do you advocate minimizing or slowing down that destruction, by doing everything possible to keep criminal illegals out of our country?
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13349 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 7:17 pm to
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I find myself wondering whether you even realize that you misstated absolutely everything that he said in the post to which you replied.


I find myself wondering whether you even realize that what he said is complete utopian bullshite that will never happen, regardless of how much it should happen, or how much we all want it to happen. The only way it happens is if we purge this country of democrat voters, and a good percentage of republican voters in this country. It just isn’t reality based.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13349 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 7:20 pm to
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Uh.. no. Why should I be liable for what government steals from all of us when I’m the one who opposes government while you support its existence?


Because you choose to tilt at windmills, instead of falling in with the people who want to actually do something about the problem.
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 7:21 pm to
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AGAIN with the inability to grasp that MANY libertarians think the LPA is FoS.


Then why are you a libertarian ?

The Libertarian Party loves illegals , I despise illegals.

Why in the frick would I want to be a libertarian if they love illegals so much ?

You can't be conservative if you support a candidate that is endorsed by the Libertarian Party.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 7:34 pm to
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do you advocate accelerating that destruction from debt and sloth, by allowing criminal illegals to walk over our southern border, or do you advocate minimizing or slowing down that destruction, by doing everything possible to keep criminal illegals out of our country?
I advocate avoiding brain-dead-stupid binary choices.

I interact regularly with our "illegal alien" population, and I think it is largely hard-working and productive. In fact, I greatly-prefer them to a significant percentage of our native-born population in every way from work ethic to food and music choices.

There is no evidence that they vote in significant numbers or any evidence for the vast majority of the claims made against them (crime, etcetera). I think that most of the xenophobia we see against them (as here) comes largely from people who have little to no contact with them and who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

In VERY short form, I think we should have an extensive and accessible guest worker program with vetting of participants for criminal history and easy access for those without a criminal record. The guest workers should not be granted an accelerated path to citizenship. Their children should not be granted automatic citizenship unless the other parent is a citizen, and children of TWO guest workers should not be entitled to any governmental benefits (including education).

The guest workers themselves should not be entitled to access to any federal entitlement program, and each state should be able to decide for itself whether they would have access to state programs.
Posted by Caplewood
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2010
39156 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 7:35 pm to
Speaking of sperging out...
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 7:38 pm to
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AGAIN with the inability to grasp that MANY libertarians think the LPA is FoS.
Then why are you a libertarian ?
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Why in the frick would I want to be a libertarian ...?
Clearly, you do not. Which is fine, because we don't want you either.
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You can't be conservative if you support a candidate that is endorsed by the Libertarian Party
Depends upon what type of "conservative" you are. Social conservative? Clearly not. Fiscal conservative? Probably so. Limited government "conservative?" You probably ARE a libertarian to at least some extent.
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 7:45 pm
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 7:47 pm to
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Speaking of sperging out..
Yes, we understand.

Anything that won't fit on a bumper sticker is a bit too complex for you.

MAGA!
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13349 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 7:53 pm to
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I interact regularly with our "illegal alien" population, and I think it is largely hard-working and productive.


It doesn’t matter if they are hard working, productive, attractive, repulsive, fat, skinny, mean, or nice. They are illegal aliens. The government of their native countries would not allow you to do in their country, what they are doing in yours. Most likely, they would throw your arse in jail.

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There is no evidence that they vote in significant numbers or any evidence for the vast majority of the claims made against them (crime, etcetera).


I’m not responsible for the vast majority of claims, or even know what most of those claims state. What we do know is that they do in fact vote, they are in fact included in the census, therefore making those states more powerful in congress, and they do in fact commit heinous crimes against citizens and others.

This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 7:54 pm
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 8:07 pm to
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Then why are you a libertarian ?


You are such a phony

You sure do like defending weirdo libertarians and worthless Democrats at every chance , but yet you are neither !
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30600 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 8:24 pm to
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if it wasn't, and we just got lucky, this was way too aggressive and close to Iraq Vol. 3

You are very naive, my friend. There is no luck involved when it comes to this type of national situation.
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