re: Liberal question - fake news or na

So if that article clearly indicates that Obama wiretapped Trump and it ran on 1/30/2017, why did it take trump over a month to figure out that he was wiretapped? Why wasn't he talking about it earlier? Hmmm.

This has been public knowledge for months--what's the controversy? The article the OP is highlighting is mostly focused on an investigation into Paul Manafort, but it names a few other Trump aides/advisers, like Carter Page and Roger Stone.

Here's a link to the full article (the headline is different on the website, but if you scroll to the bottom of the article, it says that it used the headline "Wiretapped Data Used In Inquiry of Trump Aides" in the print version of the newspaper).

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The F.B.I. investigation into Mr. Manafort began last spring, and was an outgrowth of a criminal investigation into his work for a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine and for the country’s former president, Viktor F. Yanukovych. In August, The Times reported that Mr. Manafort’s name had surfaced in a secret ledger that showed he had been paid millions in undisclosed cash payments. The Associated Press has reported that his work for Ukraine included a secret lobbying effort in Washington aimed at influencing American news organizations and government officials.

Mr. Stone, a longtime friend of Mr. Trump’s, said in a speech in Florida last summer that he had communicated with Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, the anti-secrecy group that published the hacked Democratic emails. During the speech, Mr. Stone predicted further leaks of documents, a prediction that came true within weeks.

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The OP seems to be implying that the NY Times published that the government was wiretapping Trump, but the article doesn't mention or even imply that. It's talking about Trump aides and advisers who have known ties to Russia, particularly Manafort. This article does not support Trump's claim from Saturday morning.

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I would be interested in him trying to distinguish between the two.

I guess intercepts is not the result of tapping in his world.

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No, you missed the point. You can intercept messages of Russians talking to Americans through wiretaps WITHOUT wiretapping Trump Tower. You can place taps on the Russians themselves, or on people outside of Trump Tower. You would only intercept a call made to/from Trump Tower if the call was to one of the people outside of Trump Tower that was wiretapped.

Say a Russian official is wiretapped and calls me. My conversation with him would be intercepted, even if the FBI hadn't wiretapped my apartment.

The only distinction between wiretapping and intercepting is that wiretapping is just one way to intercept a message. Intercepting is a big circle, wiretapping is a little circle inside that big circle.

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Do you think people should wait for evidence before believing trump colluded with the Russians as well?

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I know I am. I could care less what "people" think.

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I doubt it but let's say he did....why share that with the world using <140 characters? Why not actually speak to the American people and lay out his case and concerns and what he knows as "fact".

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I'll tell you why...because he has no proof and all he has to do is tweet some BS and people scramble and he doesn't actually have to say anything to the people he serves.

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Or to let the opposition make their own beds in defense, then release proof later.

I don't know if this is the case, but it is an answer to your question.

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truly hysterical that they're trying to use a source they've completely dismissed as a fake news outlet and propaganda organ of the left as now suddenly a valid source for news.

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Well, is it true? Or will you return the favor by dodging and attack both the source (NYT) and the OP?

Also, the article is plural. They didn't just tap Manafort. They also tapped Sessions and Flynn and more than likely others. It wouldn't surprise me if everyone who had ties to Trump was monitored using the Russian narrative.

It explains how they knew about Sessions, Flynn Kushner and others meeting with the ambassador.

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It explains how they knew about Sessions, Flynn Kushner and others meeting with the ambassador.

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Monitoring the ambassador would also explain how they knew about sessions, Flynn, etc.

Given the concerns with Russian interference in the election this would make perfect sense and a lot easier than getting a warrant to tap Trump tower one would think.

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It's truly hysterical that they're trying to use a source they've completely dismissed as a fake news outlet and propaganda organ of the left as now suddenly a valid source for news.

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I laughed at this too. Same with the WH citing a CNN poll saying how happy people were with trump after his speech.
Derps, the whole lot of em.

I love how 35 ambassadors were sent home yet the one having all the meetings with the GOP stays .......not suspicious at all. 22 meetings with the White House.