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re: Levin: Cohen plea means nothing
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:13 pm to BBONDS25
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:13 pm to BBONDS25
They really think someone’s guilty plea means the prosecution doesn’t have to prove it was in fact and in law a crime as to another defendant?
That would be the easiest circumvention of the prosecution’s burden of proof ever. Just have one cop a plea, give him a favorable sentence, and the trial is over for the other defendant before it ever started. No need to even impanel a jury. Brilliant!
That would be the easiest circumvention of the prosecution’s burden of proof ever. Just have one cop a plea, give him a favorable sentence, and the trial is over for the other defendant before it ever started. No need to even impanel a jury. Brilliant!
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Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:14 pm to NikolaiJakov
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Levin: Cohen plea means nothing
I like what Levin has to say, but for objective perspective, let’s not forget he also said Meullers appointment was illegal and Manaforts attorneys lost that challenge.
Either way, he’s right in that prosecutors have to prove Cohens assertion is criminal for Trump. That’s the big question.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:15 pm to BobBoucher
Doesn’t mean Levin was wrong...
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:16 pm to BobBoucher
And prosecutors would have to prove that the campaign finance violation was a knowing and wilfull violation. That ain’t easy.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:20 pm to John McClane
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And prosecutors would have to prove that the campaign finance violation was a knowing and wilfull violation. That ain’t easy.
Fox contributors said that if the violation was for personal or corporate benefit, then campaign/election influence is null and void.
If they are correct, that’s a slam dunk. He’s married and doesn’t want his porn star habit to ruin his marriage or corporate brand.
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:23 pm to John McClane
Campaigns also have a set time to return contributions that are too large. Cohen was reimbursed. This is a huge nothing. Liberals, like always, are waaaaay overplaying their hand. This is really bad optics for trump. Instead of letting that be the end liberals will make this backfire by demanding impeachment. Idiots. Don they not realize Obama had a fine for not returning large gifts in time?
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:23 pm to TJGator1215
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I do think a plea to paying the women moves the overall case forward in the sense that if campaign money was used to make the payments, anyone involved in that [including, in theory, then-candidate Trump] is guilty of a campaign fraud,” former federal prosecutor Patrick J. Cotter said.
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if campaign money was used to make the payments
Has this been alleged? No, per the SDNY, Cohen invoiced a Trump corporation for services. Cohen is guilty, Trump is not. Cohen fell on his sword for Trump. Sorry that upsets you, but it is what it is.
Keep reaching.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:31 pm to asurob1
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You don't plead guilty to a crime unless you are worried they are going to hang you out to dry for a worse crime
This is a retarded statement. Let me explain why you plead guilty in this instance. First off, as a defendant in a federal case, you have about a 5 percent chance of being found not guilty because the Feds have about a 95 percent success rate in getting convictions in court. So with those odds in mind, do you roll the dice with a jury where a guilty verdict comes with minimum sentencing guidelines? Are you really willing to take your chances when you’re facing 10, 20, or 30 years or more, or do you plead guilty and accept a lighter sentence?
You see, in these circumstances, whether you are guilty or innocent means dick. The odds are not in your favor and decades behind bars is your fate if you gamble. You take the lesser sentence and try to put your life back together afterwards.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:32 pm to BobBoucher
Exactly. And if they prove it was campaign funds, then they have to show that Trump knowingly and willfully directed Cohen to violate the campaign finance laws. Good luck with that one.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:39 pm to TigerCruise
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Where's the proof that they used campaign funds?
Cohen's reimbursement for the Stormy Daniels payoff of $130K was $420,000.
The payment was made from one of Trump's companies.
Cohen testified that Trump knew about the payment, instructed Cohen to make the payment and then reimbursed him with a profit of $290,000 through one of Trump's companies.
You guys need to switch from Fox to MSNBC so you're not so clueless as to what is actually happening.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:41 pm to PygmalionEffect
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Cohen testified that Trump knew about the payment, instructed Cohen to make the payment and then reimbursed him with a profit of $290,000 through one of Trump's companies.
Sooooo, not with campaign finances? No problem, as their shouldn't be.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:41 pm to PygmalionEffect
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Cohen testified that Trump knew about the payment, instructed Cohen to make the payment and then reimbursed him with a profit of $290,000 through one of Trump's companies.
Which code section, specifically, do you allege this violates? What are its elements? Are there defenses? What are the range of penalties? Is there any precedent we can look at? Answer these questions and you won’t like where it leads you. Again...you have zero legal background, and don’t understand how this works.
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:41 pm to John McClane
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Exactly. And if they prove it was campaign funds, then they have to show that Trump knowingly and willfully directed Cohen to violate the campaign finance laws. Good luck with that one.
LOL
Who benefited from the payoff?
Trump or Cohen?
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:42 pm to BBONDS25
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Which code section, specifically, do you allege this violates? What are its elements? Are there defenses? What are the range of penalties? Is there any precedent we can look at? Answer these questions and you won’t like where it leads you. Again...you have zero legal background, and don’t understand how this works.
Says the poster that just tried to argue that what Cohen just plead guilty to today was not a crime.
LOL
I'm not going to banter with you.
You're insane.
Leave me alone. You're boring.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:45 pm to PygmalionEffect
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Says the poster that just tried to argue that what Cohen just plead guilty to today was not a
So you don’t have a clue what statute you allege has been violated or what the elements are. But you know he is guilty of violating it. Have I summed up your argument appropriately?
I never said what Cohen plead guilty to wasn’t a crime. I simply said it was not proven and it certainly doesn’t prove a thing with regards to trump. Your inability to grasp even the simplest legal concepts is making this entire thing hard for you to understand.
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You're insane. Leave me alone. You're boring.
Translation. Don’t use that fancy legal talk with me. I want to wallow in my ignorance.
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:49 pm to PygmalionEffect
Who benefitted is irrelevant. They have to prove Trump, knowingly and willfully, directed Cohen to engage in conduct which he knew was a campaign finance violation. That is not easy.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:54 pm to PygmalionEffect
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You guys need to switch from Fox to MSNBC so you're not so clueless as to what is actually happening.
Turn the TV off gramps, you’re drunk posting cable news talking points again.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 12:02 am to NikolaiJakov
It really amazes me how loyal some of you are to Trump. Everything that happens, people on this board will justify his actions.
Let's forget about the whole who paid who, what and how it happened. Trump was fricking porn stars right after he married his wife and the porn star he fricked was given money to keep quiet about it. What's funny, is that they were paying her to not say anything about something that was in an article in some magazine in 2011.
If they would have not paid her off, this would likely have never become a story. Stormy Daniel probably laughed at the $130k because she could have and did, make a lot more money on the story, because it was worth a lot more than $130k.
The fact that people can not see the person Trump really is, is naive. He doesn't give a single frick about the best interest of this country. And he has a personal agenda on everything he does. But some of you will go to your death beds defending the hell out of this clown. Why? Do yall not see patterns in his behavior?
And since someone will feel the need to call me "a liberal snowflake". Like I have said on this website on several occasions. I am a registered Republican but I consider myself Independent. And I think ultra conservatives and ultra liberals are people with similar mindsets. The only difference between them are their views.
Let's forget about the whole who paid who, what and how it happened. Trump was fricking porn stars right after he married his wife and the porn star he fricked was given money to keep quiet about it. What's funny, is that they were paying her to not say anything about something that was in an article in some magazine in 2011.
If they would have not paid her off, this would likely have never become a story. Stormy Daniel probably laughed at the $130k because she could have and did, make a lot more money on the story, because it was worth a lot more than $130k.
The fact that people can not see the person Trump really is, is naive. He doesn't give a single frick about the best interest of this country. And he has a personal agenda on everything he does. But some of you will go to your death beds defending the hell out of this clown. Why? Do yall not see patterns in his behavior?
And since someone will feel the need to call me "a liberal snowflake". Like I have said on this website on several occasions. I am a registered Republican but I consider myself Independent. And I think ultra conservatives and ultra liberals are people with similar mindsets. The only difference between them are their views.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 12:04 am to OweO
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Let's forget about the whole who paid who, what and how it happened. Trump was fricking porn stars right after he married his wife and the porn star he fricked was given money to keep quiet about it. What's funny, is that they were paying her to not say an
And? How is the economy? You need your president to be your pastor?
Posted on 8/22/18 at 12:10 am to OweO
quote:I support trump because the number one goal of a president is to enact his or her policy vision for America. That is what politics is. It is about running a nation and changing and/or preserving important institutions, rights, and practices of that nation.
But some of you will go to your death beds defending the hell out of this clown. Why? Do yall not see patterns in his behavior?
The president was never meant to be the pope. You can disapprove of trump's personal behavior and still fundamentally support his agenda. Why is that so hard for you people to understand?
With all due respect Oweo, I do not think you are a genuine conservative. Because if you were, you would realize trump represents the greatest opportunity of our generation to enact policies we care about. His judicial legacy is already superb on that front.
You have this ridiculous notion that nice, friendly, personally pure people deserve to win elections even if their policies stink and are profoundly threatening to the nation.
You are like the people who voted for Obama or Bush because "hey, I can easily drink a beer with him and not the other guy".
That is a terrible way to pick who to vote for.
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