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re: Let's suppose Trump is right. All countries come to the table...
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:05 pm to northshorebamaman
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:05 pm to northshorebamaman
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Unfortunately, that's too abstract for a lot of people. And I don't say that to dig anyone. It's just a sad fact.
It's simplistic in a multivariate scenario.
You guys aren't smart, you're just relying on a superficial understanding of things smart people say.
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Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
You posted a 2015-2025 trend line that somehow argues against the fact that China and India will pass us this century
I ignored it
Economists do this daily. Your googling history doesnt change the facts. Claiming we are a juggernaut that wont be passed is ridiculous, when you look at every nation on the planet trying to currently undermine our economy
Its going to happen. We need to act accordingly
I ignored it
Economists do this daily. Your googling history doesnt change the facts. Claiming we are a juggernaut that wont be passed is ridiculous, when you look at every nation on the planet trying to currently undermine our economy
Its going to happen. We need to act accordingly
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:07 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Yeah when countries use impossible to measure things like currency manipulation to create a trade surplus they used the trade surplus as a punitive metric.
So not tariffs, which is what Rog is saying.
Trade imbalances are also caused by many other things than these nefarious boogeymen that you're referencing.
Simple standard of living and being a poor country with a shitty currency will do it.
I somewhat addressed this specifically to you on page 1 with a question
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What is Vietnam, a poor country, buying from America to make this make sense?
They're never going to make up the trade deficit because they're poor. They can drop tariffs to 0% and trump's justification would still require a huge American tariff.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:10 pm to Turbeauxdog
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You guys aren't smart, you're just relying on a superficial understanding of things smart people say.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:11 pm to RobbBobb
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You posted a 2015-2025 trend line that somehow argues against the fact that China and India will pass us this century
That was from another post, but I added the per capita data to show the comparative mesh. You can ignore the trend data and focus on what I actually posted to you.
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I ignored it
Obviously, which is why I have to keep bringing you back to it.
It's really bad for your argument, so I know you don't want to look.
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Claiming we are a juggernaut that wont be passed is ridiculous
Which countries are a threat to overtake our mesh of total output and per capita output? Who are the threats?
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when you look at every nation on the planet trying to currently undermine our economy
And yet, we do better than all of them.
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Its going to happen
By whom? How?
Total GDP is almost meaningless for this discussion. You have to find a country with potential for big output at a high per capita basis.
It's all Western countries until you get to SK/Japan. I think we can all discount all of the EU countries and Canada. If you want to argue AUS, then I'll listen.
Once we get to Japan/SK, the options become limited.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So not tariffs, which is what Rog is saying.
Dude, Trumps been talking about the currency manipulation aspect of this whole issue for a decade now.
Because he didn't label it tariffs plus tax structures plus monetary policy plus subsidy plus ..... you clowns are acting like you've sleuthed out something that everyone already knew.
You're not serious people.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:20 pm to Turbeauxdog
The miscommunication from all levels (From label to communicating a clear goal) has caused unnecessary chaos, at least in the short-term.
I'm not as focused on the labels as the lack of communicating the specific goals clearly.
I'm not as focused on the labels as the lack of communicating the specific goals clearly.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:22 pm to DiamondDog
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I am all for restoring manufacturing but it's kind of saying two things if your goal is 0% tariff.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:23 pm to DiamondDog
Ok...now in your scenario, compare shipping costs
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Trade imbalances are also caused by many other things than these nefarious boogeymen that you're referencing.
Every single comment ridiculous.
Currency manipulation is a well established tool that is manipulated toward deficit/surplus. That's accepted by everyone and anyone that isn't retarded enough to call it a boogeyman.
You're borderline becoming not serious enough to bother responding to. You're fortunate I'm so engaged in this topic.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I'm not as focused on the labels as the lack of communicating the specific goals clearly.
And yet felt compelled to comment on the labels and knight for Roger.
Do better.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:29 pm to DiamondDog
There are multiple reasons for the tariffs.
For example, Mexico and Canada’s tariffs are to make them enforce borders and stop the flow of drugs to the US.
For China, it’s to slow down their economy.
For others, it’s to use as leverage elsewhere or to just get the US better deals
For all, it makes US based products more competitive elsewhere
For example, Mexico and Canada’s tariffs are to make them enforce borders and stop the flow of drugs to the US.
For China, it’s to slow down their economy.
For others, it’s to use as leverage elsewhere or to just get the US better deals
For all, it makes US based products more competitive elsewhere
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:31 pm to Upperdecker
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Let's suppose Trump is right. All countries come to the table...
So, you skipped economics and majored in art history instead.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:36 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Every single comment ridiculous.
Currency manipulation is a well established tool that is manipulated toward deficit/surplus. That's accepted by everyone and anyone that isn't retarded enough to call it a boogeyman.
Your emotionality is making you not read what's written.
What was written:
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Trade imbalances are also caused by many other things than these nefarious boogeymen that you're referencing.
Vietnam can reverse all the "currency manipulation" you claim and all tariffs and they will still have a trade imbalance with the US because they are poor with an inferior currency. Mathematically, it's impossible for them to fix this.
Many other countries cannot fix their trade imbalance with the US for similar reasons. There are tons of poor countries with shite currencies.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:37 pm to Upperdecker
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For example, Mexico and Canada’s tariffs are to make them enforce borders and stop the flow of drugs to the US.
Oy boy
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:41 pm to Powerman
There seems to be a big divide on what the actual plan/objective even is - whether this is a real strategy long term or a negotiation tactic
The fact that no two MAGAs have the same answer on that is a testament to how shitty this rollout has been
The fact that no two MAGAs have the same answer on that is a testament to how shitty this rollout has been
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Vietnam can reverse all the "currency manipulation" you claim and all tariffs and they will still have a trade imbalance with the US because they are poor with an inferior currency. Mathematically, it's impossible for them to fix this.
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Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Vietnam can reverse all the "currency manipulation" you claim and all tariffs and they will still have a trade imbalance with the US because they are poor with an inferior currency. Mathematically, it's impossible for them to fix this.
Pretty sure he wasn't talking about Vietnam.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:46 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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There seems to be a big divide on what the actual plan/objective even is - whether this is a real strategy long term or a negotiation tactic
The fact that no two MAGAs have the same answer on that is a testament to how shitty this rollout has been
It's the "Art of the Deal" meme. This is common with them. They intentionally never stake a position so that no matter what happens they can claim they were right and hide behind saying that revealing a position would hurt whatever strategy is being enacted
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:48 pm to BuckyCheese
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Pretty sure he wasn't talking about Vietnam.
Well they got the same reciprocal "tariff", along with many other poor countries.
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