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Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:51 pm to dgnx6
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7 states didn’t have stay at home orders. The rest did. But go ahead with your TDS.
I have TDS because I asked you a question you’re reluctant to answer?
That’s not how it works.
I voted for Trump twice and will again in 2024. But that doesn’t make me retarded or chickenshit.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:54 pm to David_DJS
Presumably based on the supposed numbers and “trends” on the ground locally, as well “advice” from her advisers on the matter.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:54 pm to Tupelo
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Let's face it, he did as well, or better, than anyone else could have done in that situation.
This is such horseshite.
You know, it’s okay to be critical of a Trump even if you’re a voter if his.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:55 pm to davyjones
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Presumably based on the supposed numbers and “trends” on the ground locally, as well “advice” from her advisers on the matter.
Had nothing to do with what the CDC and NIH were doing?
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:59 pm to jp4lsu
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-The Tea Party had been gaining power since 2010 and brought to the fore, the IRS targeting, abolishing Obamacare and pushing 2016 candidates to abolish it.
Trump overpowered them unfortunately and put them to pasture, which is not good for us.
The Tea Party that the GOPe helped Obama destroy?
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Despite all the momentum from the Tea Party, GOP control of houses, he failed in getting Obamacare abolished like he promised. Instead he squashed the idea of abolishing and decided he wanted to abolish and replace. Bad mistake. We got nothing out of this promise even after giving him the Houses.
Are you familiar with a group of sellouts known as the GOPe?
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He gave the media way too much ammo to spend days on so they could create additional division in the country. Even though in most cases they took things out of context, didn't tell the full story, etc....but a President has to be better than this.
You're blaming Trump for the media lying and twisting his words? Surely you will hold other candidates to this same standard. No one would ever excuse another candidate for the same things they use to lambast Trump.
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Do we really believe that it would be any different with a 2nd term? Is he really going to clean house?
He is more likely to clean house than any other candidate.
Trump has his faults for sure. It's easy to point them out in hindsight. However, people are fooling themselves if they think Republicans are going to act any differently than they have the past 30 years just because a candidate not named Trump is selected.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:01 pm to David_DJS
It may’ve had something to CDC and NIH if the mayor was using numbers provided by them, or something along those lines. So technically, sure.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:14 pm to davyjones
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It may’ve had something to CDC and NIH if the mayor was using numbers provided by them, or something along those lines. So technically, sure.
The CDC was dictating how local health officials determined what was a Covid hospitalization and Covid death. The CDC was giving all governments guidance. The CDC/NIH provided 99% of the fuel that went to gaslighting the country about Covid.
Has a local/state government ever shut commerce/education down and issued stay at home orders because of a virus before 2020? I don’t remember anything like that, but maybe it’s happened before?
Posted on 12/1/22 at 3:58 pm to David_DJS
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Let's face it, he did as well, or better, than anyone else could have done in that situation.
This is such horse shite.
You know, it’s okay to be critical of a Trump even if you’re a voter if his.
It's okay to be critical of Trump when he deserves it, but to criticize him for his Covid performance is just stupidity. How could he have handled it better? Ignored the recommendations of the WHO, CDC, NIH, and virtually the entire medical community? The media tried to pillory him for not shutting the entire country down. Letting each state make decisions based on the conditions in their state was the best option available. As it was, the media blamed him for the Covid deaths.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 5:05 pm to Tupelo
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but to criticize him for his Covid performance is just stupidity. How could he have handled it better? Ignored the recommendations of the WHO, CDC, NIH, and virtually the entire medical community?
Virtually the entire medical community was not onboard with the Covid response Trump’s gov’t health agencies put forth. It’s revisionist history to believe there weren’t a ton of people, medical types included, that quickly recognized what Covid was being used for. BTW - even on this message board, there were a lot of rational posters that kept their heads and didn’t allow themselves to be gaslighted.
Trump could have handled it better by directing the CDC & NIH to be transparent. Disclose the data. All of it. He could have put in charge medical professionals that were not political operatives, and did not see Covid as an opportunity to push power and wealth to the right people. He could have shut Fauci (and others) the frick up. He could have vetoed all the bullshite spending, which supercharged everything that today conservatives want Fauci to be imprisoned for.
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As it was, the media blamed him for the Covid deaths.
Did you expect anything different? Trump was going to be crucified over Covid regardless of what he did. And to be clear, handling it the right way may have cost him the election in November, but that’s no excuse for failing us like he did.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 5:12 pm to jp4lsu
LMAO at anybody that thinks the 3 most recent SC appointees were actually selected by Trump. They were groomed and handpicked by the Federalist Society.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 5:26 pm to jp4lsu
He didn’t push to completely get rid of Obamacare due to the backlash including his base.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 5:27 pm to David_DJS
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Virtually the entire medical community was not onboard with the Covid response Trump’s gov’t health agencies put forth. It’s revisionist history to believe there weren’t a ton of people, medical types included, that quickly recognized what Covid was being used for. BTW - even on this message board, there were a lot of rational posters that kept their heads and didn’t allow themselves to be gaslighted.
It's revisionist to think that there were more than a handful of medical types that pushed back against it, they didn't want to have their careers ruined. You are correct, however, that whatever Trump did he would have been faulted for it. He followed a pragmatic approach based on the uncertainty that we were facing.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 5:28 pm to David_DJS
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Virtually the entire medical community was not onboard with the Covid response Trump’s gov’t health agencies put forth.
Oh stfu. He said it would be gone by Easter and everyone imploded
Posted on 12/1/22 at 5:36 pm to Tupelo
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It's revisionist to think that there were more than a handful of medical types that pushed back against it, they didn't want to have their careers ruined.
Of the people/professionals on TV? Sure, but that’s not the case if you had your eyes and ears open beyond CNN. Did those in a position to do so push back like they should have? No, but that’s different from believing/supporting the BS.
And understand, the tsunami of stupidity started with government.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 5:47 pm to LSU82BILL
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jp4lsu
LMAO at anybody that thinks the 3 most recent SC appointees were actually selected by Trump. They were groomed and handpicked by the Federalist Society.
The Federalist Society gave him a list of ranked candidates they approved of, but he was under no obligation to select their choices. The President makes the final selection, that's just the way it works. There were no complaints by them, so he probably did choose from their list, good for him.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 6:00 pm to David_DJS
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Of the people/professionals on TV? Sure, but that’s not the case if you had your eyes and ears open beyond CNN. Did those in a position to do so push back like they should have? No, but that’s different from believing/supporting the BS.
I never, ever watch CNN, MSNBC, or any of the other propaganda mills. I had my eyes and ears open. I base my comments on discussion with my wife's Doctor, my Doctor, and other health care professionals at the time. One of them was convinced of the value of masks for preventing the spread of Covid, for example. I pushed back against this, based on the size of the virus versus the porosity of the masks. The person just said based on their personal anecdotal evidence, masks were effective.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 6:28 pm to Tupelo
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One of them was convinced of the value of masks for preventing the spread of Covid, for example. I pushed back against this, based on the size of the virus versus the porosity of the masks. The person just said based on their personal anecdotal evidence, masks were effective
You're not an MD, but you knew better than the line you were being fed. It was logical (size of the virus -v- porosity), for many others it was intuitive, and for still others it was a deep-seated and well-deserved skepticism of just about anything the gov't says/does.
So why are we giving Trump a pass? Unlike you and me, he had all the resources a curious/skeptical guy could possibly have readily available to him. He could have picked up the phone and talked to anybody in the world he wanted to. More than you and me and every other person that recognized the scam element of Covid for what it was, Trump could have found and shared the receipts.
Personally, I think he knew. I think it was intuition more than anything, but I think he knew he was being worked and it was insane to lock people out of their businesses, schools, churches, etc., but, like he often did, he cared/worried too much about what was being said about him in the press and on social media. So he caved. And that's what concerns me about a Trump term #2. I'm not convinced there's anybody better yet, but I have concerns that Trump is not up for the fight that would start in 2025.
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