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jp4lsu
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Lets run Trump through the vetting machine too

If we are vetting DeSantis on his record and governing, which absolutely needs to happen, lets do the same with Trump. I've voted for Trump twice and have supported him strongly and the dems, DOJ, investigations of him have exposed the corruption in DC and I'm glad that they have been exposed.

He has done some good things but he has also failed on several really big issues. I have been going back through his term and being more critical of his term and actions.

Good:
-He clamped down on the border, worked with South, Central America and Mexico to stem the tide and help slow the crossings into the US. Not too mention started building the wall
-He put NATO in their place and pushed them to increase military funding.
-He helped foster a historic peace deal in the middle east with Israel, UAE, Qatar.
-Modest Tax Cuts

Bad:
-The Tea Party had been gaining power since 2010 and brought to the fore, the IRS targeting, abolishing Obamacare and pushing 2016 candidates to abolish it.
Trump overpowered them unfortunately and put them to pasture, which is not good for us. Despite all the momentum from the Tea Party, GOP control of houses, he failed in getting Obamacare abolished like he promised. Instead he squashed the idea of abolishing and decided he wanted to abolish and replace. Bad mistake. We got nothing out of this promise even after giving him the Houses.

-He didn't provide any guidance or approval of going after the IRS Targeting scandal and hold them accountable. Perfect opportunity to clean the swamp. I went back and found quotes from Jason Chaffetz who was ready to go after the IRS, Hillary, and Audit the Fed. His quote was that one of the reasons he resigned was the new admin was not really concerned in going after the IRS targeting scandal.

-He didn't replace Comey but bowed to the pressure of the media and DC. Then he eventually replaced him with the swampy Ruby Ridge defender, Bill Barr. We all just made note and said OK, I trust Trump with this selection and looked past his history. Well that was a terrible hire.

-He gave the media way too much ammo to spend days on so they could create additional division in the country. Even though in most cases they took things out of context, didn't tell the full story, etc....but a President has to be better than this.

-With Covid he fell into the fearmongering trap laid by Fauci, WHO, CDC/NHA and put Fauci on all our TVs for months. Many of us fell into this trap. But Trump had people around him countering things being done by Fauci, CDC, WHO. Trump was kowtowed into backing off alternative treatments, and letting Fauci take control and dictate to the states what should be done and spread his fear. We saw the impact that Fauci, CDC/NHA had on treatments, the way Docs and hospitals treated patients, they way the Feds pressured the medical industry.
I can forgive Trump for falling into the Covid trap, most everyone did, but you had states that stood up and refused to give into what the Feds wanted. We needed them in the White House at that time instead of Trump.

So we saw how a term went for Trump. Do we really believe that it would be any different with a 2nd term? Is he really going to clean house? He had a chance to drain the swamp and go after the IRS, abolish Obamacare, Audit the Fed, Go after Hillary/Obama on Libya, and he didn't. Instead he basically squashed the Tea Party who wanted to do all these things, but Trump didn't play ball.
So as evidenced with the above plays he could've made to drain the swamp, I don't think he will drain the swamp in a 2nd term.






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Trump is the most vetted human on the planet.


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Even though in most cases they took things out of context, didn't tell the full story, etc....but a President has to be better than this.


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Trump was fantastic on foreign policy (outside of Cuba) and admin law while also being solid, but not flashy, on taxation. He was good on immigration, but wasn’t able to ensure his policies couldn’t quickly be undone by his successors. He also did well with his SCOTUS picks.

Trump was mediocre on basic running of government agencies and a lot of more basic domestic policy. He completely shite the bed on Covid. He also completely missed a golden opportunity with weed.


jp4lsu
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re: Lets run Trump through the vetting machine too
Oh yes, SCOTUS Picks were good. I can't believe I forgot that one. I do appreciate his SCOTUS Picks even if some have flaked on a few decisions.


FlexDawg
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re: Lets run Trump through the vetting machine too
Ok…

Can Trump be bought?

Answer: No

The end.
This post was edited on 11/30 at 7:56 pm


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He completely shite the bed on Covid. He also


We have to grade politicians on a curve. Such is human nature. I can’t imagine anyone doing substantially better in his exact predicament.


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re: Lets run Trump through the vetting machine too
How many good hires did he have? I liked Pompeo at the time, but it turns out he is an absolutely insane neocon that wanted to kill Assange, thinks Israel is the most important priority in the world, and seems to want WWIII with China.

Grenell is a badass, but he basically only had a temporary intel position (I know he had the ambassador to Germany thing).

And there were awful mistakes like Bolton...


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coldbeerfan
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re: Lets run Trump through the vetting machine too
He also signed a bill banning bump stocks by caving to the emotions of the MSM after the Vegas shooting. Any law that is an infringement on the 2A makes you anti 2A.


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I just stopped by to downvote. Ain’t nobody got time to read all dat


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NineLineBind
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Lets run Trump through the vetting machine too

That's what 2015-20 was about.


jp4lsu
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We have to grade politicians on a curve. Such is human nature. I can’t imagine anyone doing substantially better in his exact predicament.


DeSantis (FL), Noem (SD), Abbott (TX) were a few that woke up to the crap Fauci was selling.


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jp4lsu
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That's what 2015-20 was about.


So was it good for conservative principals? Did he do what he said he would do?


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So was it good for conservative principals? Did he do what he said he would do?



How could he when your fellow RINO's did nothing he asked for and he couldn't do it all with executive orders?


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re: Lets run Trump through the vetting machine too
IMO, the two things Trump really whiffed on were not firing Fauci and not cleaning house in senior military leadership. Senior military leadership needs an enema. Badly.

ETA: I voted for him twice and would happily vote for him a third time.
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Lakebound
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re: Lets run Trump through the vetting machine too
Voters backed Trump.
The uniparty didn’t.


NineLineBind
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re: Lets run Trump through the vetting machine too
I can't think of a politician (non-politician) in the modern era who had more headwinds to fight against than Trump during his tenure. He was undermined by his own party as well as the usual Democrat apparatus and government/media infrastructure. Trump is a quick study, but his hands were tied so often. His supporters expected him to make "halftime adjustments". I think that's why him getting his second term was so important. It's also why it was so important for the establishment to stop him.


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jp4lsu
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re: Lets run Trump through the vetting machine too
He had the Tea Party people ready to do battle. They were ready to get rid of Obamacare, go after the IRS targeting, audit the Fed, Libya, etc. The Tea Party had been gaining strength and were loud and clear ready to move.
Trump didn't stand with them and abolish O-Care but moved the goal post and it totally killed the move to get rid of O-care.
He could've backed and supported the Tea Party guys in several endeavors but he didn't.


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