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re: Let's Have an Honest Talk About Mass Shootings.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:24 am to cssamerican
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:24 am to cssamerican
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It’s probably a combination of all of the above.
I would add the fact that technology today makes the world a much smaller place. Any study of population density and social pathology will tell us that people get violent when crowded, even if they just "feel" crowded
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Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:25 am to Vecchio Cane
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A gun, even a scary assault rifle, is a very inefficient way to harm a large group of people.
Not sure about that. The guy in Dayton shot everyone he shot in 30 seconds. Seems extremely efficient to me.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:26 am to cssamerican
Despair
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:26 am to cssamerican
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Zero Tolerance: Kids are repressing their anger which is not emotionally healthy.
Narcotics: We are raising children on drugs that mess with their brain.
Lack of Discipline: Almost all forms of past discipline is now considered child abuse.
Broken Families: Many male kids today don’t have fathers to teach them how to handle things.
Media: Glorifies violence. The News, Movies, and games.
You need to add in:
Devaluing of Life: See abortion debate.
Embracing of Mental Illness: See LGBTQXYZ debate.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:26 am to TBoy
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The guy in Dayton shot everyone he shot in 30 seconds. Seems extremely efficient to me.
Really? Compared to 30 seconds of bombs going off?
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:28 am to Vecchio Cane
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Really? Compared to 30 seconds of bombs going off?
Bombs aren't really available, are they? If you could go to the bomb shop and pick up a dozen bombs, maybe we would actually see more of that. This is where the effectiveness of "bomb control" is starkly demonstrated.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:31 am to TBoy
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Bombs aren't really available, are they?
Far more available than guns. Anyone could get themselves a bomb with no background checks or questions asked.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:34 am to Vecchio Cane
There's no solution, other than stronger requirements/checks, and records kept to own guns.
As long as there are crazy, angry, jealous, depressed - mentally ill people with access to guns, there will be people shot. It's a quick and relatively easy solution to end what they see as a "problem".
It's never good to see/hear about innocent people dying at the hands of others - especially for no logical reason.
I think truth and statistics are good for people with regard to guns. I highly recommend this site...
AMERICAN GUN FACTS
As long as there are crazy, angry, jealous, depressed - mentally ill people with access to guns, there will be people shot. It's a quick and relatively easy solution to end what they see as a "problem".
It's never good to see/hear about innocent people dying at the hands of others - especially for no logical reason.
I think truth and statistics are good for people with regard to guns. I highly recommend this site...
AMERICAN GUN FACTS
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:36 am to Vecchio Cane
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Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:37 am to TBoy
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Bombs aren't really available, are they? If you could go to the bomb shop and pick up a dozen bombs, maybe we would actually see more of that. This is where the effectiveness of "bomb control" is starkly demonstrated.
Anyone with Google and some cash could easily acquire the materials necessary to make a very effective home made bomb to kill more people in a given area than a person with a rifle or pistol.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:37 am to Vecchio Cane
It all starts in the home. This country has veered so far away from its core values that it should be no surprise things like this are happening.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:38 am to DemonKA3268
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There is no simple answer and many different ones at the same time.
This.
However, generally speaking, I think it is clear that most are some sort of social misfits (or at least feel they are). They have no inherent value of self worth but hide behind a veil of over-inflated self worth. That is, they think they are the most enlightened person in the room and the rest of normal society is "wrong." The mass shooting is a way for them, in sick fashion, to be romanticized by the society they hate. It gives them a sense of the self worth they desperately seek even if it is in infamy.
Religious terrorist on the other hand don't necessarily fit into that category.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:40 am to Nobelium
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The modern school system and how you do in high school essentially determining how the entire rest of your life goes was a catastrophic development for American society. The intense push for every young person to attend secondary school and college coincided with the explosion in the number of serial killers and now the same people who would have been serial killers 50 years ago are becoming mass shooters.
Now this is the kind of thoughtful explanation that I pay for
Thank You Nobelium, I've never considered that angle
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:42 am to TBoy
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Bombs aren't really available, are they? If you could go to the bomb shop and pick up a dozen bombs, maybe we would actually see more of that. This is where the effectiveness of "bomb control" is starkly demonstrated.
Amazing how some have forgotten what the Boston Marathon bombers used.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:42 am to Vecchio Cane
mark Levin talked about this last night... Loss of virtue.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:42 am to Nobelium
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The modern school system and how you do in high school essentially determining how the entire rest of your life goes was a catastrophic development for American society. The intense push for every young person to attend secondary school and college coincided with the explosion in the number of serial killers and now the same people who would have been serial killers 50 years ago are becoming mass shooters.
Does anyone else think that mandatory military service, like 2-3 years right after high school, would be beneficial to the US and society
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:43 am to Vecchio Cane
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So you think that these will lessen as we become more callous toward them?
Yes and no. ~55% of all Americans who have ever lived are alive right now.
Comparing the number of mass shootings with even the 40s is apples and oranges. There were only 132M Americans then.
So some of it is a function of how many of us there are.
Some of it is a function with how callous we are.
And a huge part of it is being Internet famous. And Internet stupid.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:47 am to Nobelium
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The modern school system and how you do in high school essentially determining how the entire rest of your life goes was a catastrophic development for American society. The intense push for every young person to atten
I think this is a reasonable point for discussion.
I would add that when Jimmy had to plow the fields at 14 to get food on the table for his family, he didn’t have time to worry about self-actualization.
We’ve postponed responsibility for the younger generations by at least a decade. They may be 25 before anything is really expected of them. And between 14-25 they aren’t necessarily required to do much. And idle hands are the devil’s playground. Figuratively and literally.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:47 am to Vecchio Cane
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But why are they happening?
Lack of fathers, education systems designed by women and for women, lack of religious upbringing, popculture based on outrage and hatred.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:50 am to Vecchio Cane
Are they?
I saw Alien autopsy on TV too; doesn't mean Aliens are real.
I saw Alien autopsy on TV too; doesn't mean Aliens are real.
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