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re: Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership, this could get good...or heated.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 7:19 am to Bass Tiger
Posted on 3/29/23 at 7:19 am to Bass Tiger
Why doesn't the goverment come up with one of their great ideas and just test it? Say in Chicago. Make a law stating whatever they want and put it into effect only in Chicago. See if it succeeds in one small area.
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Posted on 3/29/23 at 7:31 am to Bass Tiger
Everyone from 16 to 65 should be required to own a battle rifle.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 8:43 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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I'll take an M249 and an M32, please.
Should be totally legal.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 8:46 am to TrueTiger
Want to reduce gun violence? Make armed robery and murder punishable by death to be carried out directly at sentencing. You wrongfully commit gun crime then you die by the gun. These thugs would learn quick and they are by far the biggest portion of gun crime. You will never legislate away evil and mental illness but you can make the punishment so swift and severe that only the most horrible among us would even think about it
This post was edited on 3/29/23 at 8:48 am
Posted on 3/29/23 at 8:50 am to Bass Tiger
quote:i disagree
The only weapon restrictions I think most Americans would agree to would be
Posted on 3/29/23 at 9:06 am to Bass Tiger
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
As it is written, should it be followed.
Shall not be infringed!!!
Cure or treat mental illness, limit illegal guns and you lower occurrences of gun violence.
As it is written, should it be followed.
Shall not be infringed!!!
Cure or treat mental illness, limit illegal guns and you lower occurrences of gun violence.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 9:22 am to Bass Tiger
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Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership
On one side you have a group that believes all guns should be banned.
On the other side, you have "shall not be infringed"
There is absolutely, positively no middle ground here that can be found.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 9:24 am to Bass Tiger
I own a number of rifles and pistols. I train with them with experienced firearms instructors periodically. I have my CC license. Guess I'll consider myself a "responsible gun owner".
IMHO, Tennessee Laws have become way too lax. Tennessee keeps weakening its gun laws, including passing permit less carry in 2021; meanwhile, the rate of gun homicide in Tennessee has increased 110% over the last decade.
"The shooter that killed six people at a Nashville school legally purchased seven firearms from five different local gun stores, police say."
Tennessee does not have a Red Flag law. The parents were aware of her mental issues.
Hale was under a "doctor's care for an emotional disorder," Drake said, and Hale's parents "were under the impression that was when she sold the one weapon" they believed Hale owned.
"As it turned out, she had been hiding several weapons within the house," Drake said.
Would stricter laws have prevented this tragedy? Hard to say. I mean, she essentially bought an arsenal. Was experiencing severe depression. Her parents were aware. A friend called the police to report. Yet, she still was able to legally purchase these weapons. Something's wrong with that picture.
We have certain requirements to drive a car. Pharmacies have restrictions to dispense drugs, even drugs like Sudafed. I don't feel that certain restrictions, registration, taking tests, having background checks etc., unduly infringe on my rights "to bear arms".
IMHO, Tennessee Laws have become way too lax. Tennessee keeps weakening its gun laws, including passing permit less carry in 2021; meanwhile, the rate of gun homicide in Tennessee has increased 110% over the last decade.
"The shooter that killed six people at a Nashville school legally purchased seven firearms from five different local gun stores, police say."
Tennessee does not have a Red Flag law. The parents were aware of her mental issues.
Hale was under a "doctor's care for an emotional disorder," Drake said, and Hale's parents "were under the impression that was when she sold the one weapon" they believed Hale owned.
"As it turned out, she had been hiding several weapons within the house," Drake said.
Would stricter laws have prevented this tragedy? Hard to say. I mean, she essentially bought an arsenal. Was experiencing severe depression. Her parents were aware. A friend called the police to report. Yet, she still was able to legally purchase these weapons. Something's wrong with that picture.
We have certain requirements to drive a car. Pharmacies have restrictions to dispense drugs, even drugs like Sudafed. I don't feel that certain restrictions, registration, taking tests, having background checks etc., unduly infringe on my rights "to bear arms".
Posted on 3/29/23 at 9:33 am to LSUFanHouston
I think you can have some of these "sensible" conversations in a theoretical or faith-based sense, but they just don't work when people won't get into the vacuum with you and make the assumption that any questioning = support for gun control.
For example, as a Christian, I think "gun culture" is something Christian men need to think long and hard about. Guns are tools. Marksmanship/hunting/etc. are great hobbies (or in the case of hunting, ways to provide). Training is also a worthwhile thing.
But, if we're honest, the huge majority of people in "gun culture" don't do this stuff regularly. They acquire gear, fantasize about what'd they might do to the libs, etc. I just don't think a Christian can reconcile obsessing about firearms and engaging in the culture to that extent unless there is a wholesome and productive end to it.
It also probably helps to facilitate bad people getting guns. Theft is the obvious way. But we (gun enthusiasts) are also the motivation for manufacturers to make more and more useful civilian weaponry. I'm not going to go so far as to say we have any blame for that getting into the wrong hands, but I think it's a worthwhile consideration as to whether our enthusiasm/hobby is paying some bad dividends. Which then becomes circular, with us needing to buy more ammo and acquire more firearms before shortages/restrictions/etc.
I'm a gun guy - I like guns. But I think introspection on some of this stuff is a good idea and certainly doesn't mean you're going to start supporting the ATF or advocating for guns control. I think this is true even for non-Christian conservatives, although their standards of what they're responsible for and what is "good" are probably different than the Christian's.
For example, as a Christian, I think "gun culture" is something Christian men need to think long and hard about. Guns are tools. Marksmanship/hunting/etc. are great hobbies (or in the case of hunting, ways to provide). Training is also a worthwhile thing.
But, if we're honest, the huge majority of people in "gun culture" don't do this stuff regularly. They acquire gear, fantasize about what'd they might do to the libs, etc. I just don't think a Christian can reconcile obsessing about firearms and engaging in the culture to that extent unless there is a wholesome and productive end to it.
It also probably helps to facilitate bad people getting guns. Theft is the obvious way. But we (gun enthusiasts) are also the motivation for manufacturers to make more and more useful civilian weaponry. I'm not going to go so far as to say we have any blame for that getting into the wrong hands, but I think it's a worthwhile consideration as to whether our enthusiasm/hobby is paying some bad dividends. Which then becomes circular, with us needing to buy more ammo and acquire more firearms before shortages/restrictions/etc.
I'm a gun guy - I like guns. But I think introspection on some of this stuff is a good idea and certainly doesn't mean you're going to start supporting the ATF or advocating for guns control. I think this is true even for non-Christian conservatives, although their standards of what they're responsible for and what is "good" are probably different than the Christian's.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 11:13 am to Pettifogger
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I just don't think a Christian can reconcile obsessing about firearms and engaging in the culture to that extent unless there is a wholesome and productive end to it.
Let's be honest... most Chrisitians pick and choose the parts of the dogma they like, and don't obsess as much over the parts they don't. The "eye for an eye" thing probably is real popular amoung Christian gun owners... the "turn the other cheek" probably isn't.
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I'm not going to go so far as to say we have any blame for that getting into the wrong hands, but I think it's a worthwhile consideration as to whether our enthusiasm/hobby is paying some bad dividends.
The criminal who steals the gun is the one to blame. But man... a little prevention could helps us out a light. Don't leave a gun in an unlocked car.
I don't think the person who lives a gun in an unlocked car is to "blame" but come on man... your laziness means you lost something of value and a gun is now in the wrong hands.
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