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Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership, this could get good...or heated.
Posted by Bass Tiger on 3/28/23 at 6:29 pm382
My belief is, the legal possession and ownership of guns are necessary if a citizenry wants to protect their families, homes, and in a worst case scenario, to protect yourself against an authoritarian government. I'm not sure what limits should be placed on the types of weapons a US citizen could own but the weapons many people refer to as assault rifles would not in anyway be restricted. The only weapon restrictions I think most Americans would agree to would be weapons that require extensive knowledge and training, like shoulder launched stinger missiles, RPGs, tanks, mortars, artillery, drones that are designed to carry munitions, heavy caliber machine guns in the 50 cal class.....basically weapons that are used exclusively in a combat theater.
Rifles such as the AR-15, AK47 and other similar rifles would not be included in the restrictive class of combat weapons. I would also allow those weapons to be fully automatic with no restrictions on magazine capacity. The only restrictions I would have is a no sale or possession of a firearm if you've been convicted of using a firearm committing a crime and no sale if a citizen has a known or certifiable mental illness. I'm sorry, no exceptions because nearly every nutjob that's committed mass murder has later been determined to have a history of mental illness.
I know many believe the banning of AR-15s and AK47 type rifles will greatly reduce the occurrence of mass shootings but believe me, the people hell bent on committing mass murder will have plenty of other handguns, rifles and shotguns to do their evil deeds. Imagine if a psychopath mass murderer had two sawed off 12GA semi automatic shotguns with the plugs removed loaded up with 3 inch 00 buckshot, depending on the model of the shotguns the psychopath could have at least 15-20 shells for the first wave of the assault, throw in a couple of semi automatic handguns with another 20-30 rounds and you have every bit the carnage you would have with an AR-15 or AK47.
So I'm not sure banning "assault rifles" really accomplishes anything. We know what those who call for banning certain rifles really want, they want your guns and if you are allowed to own a firearm it will be tracked via a national registry and will be restricted to the most rudimentary rifle, shotgun, or pistol imaginable....think bolt action, pump, black powder and revolvers.
Rifles such as the AR-15, AK47 and other similar rifles would not be included in the restrictive class of combat weapons. I would also allow those weapons to be fully automatic with no restrictions on magazine capacity. The only restrictions I would have is a no sale or possession of a firearm if you've been convicted of using a firearm committing a crime and no sale if a citizen has a known or certifiable mental illness. I'm sorry, no exceptions because nearly every nutjob that's committed mass murder has later been determined to have a history of mental illness.
I know many believe the banning of AR-15s and AK47 type rifles will greatly reduce the occurrence of mass shootings but believe me, the people hell bent on committing mass murder will have plenty of other handguns, rifles and shotguns to do their evil deeds. Imagine if a psychopath mass murderer had two sawed off 12GA semi automatic shotguns with the plugs removed loaded up with 3 inch 00 buckshot, depending on the model of the shotguns the psychopath could have at least 15-20 shells for the first wave of the assault, throw in a couple of semi automatic handguns with another 20-30 rounds and you have every bit the carnage you would have with an AR-15 or AK47.
So I'm not sure banning "assault rifles" really accomplishes anything. We know what those who call for banning certain rifles really want, they want your guns and if you are allowed to own a firearm it will be tracked via a national registry and will be restricted to the most rudimentary rifle, shotgun, or pistol imaginable....think bolt action, pump, black powder and revolvers.
re: Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership, this could get good...or heated.Posted by Centinel on 3/28/23 at 6:31 pm to Bass Tiger
Son, we need common sense gun control.
Repeal the 1934 NFA.
Repeal the 1934 NFA.
re: Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership, this could get good...or heated.Posted by TrueTiger on 3/28/23 at 6:33 pm to Bass Tiger
"Keep and Bear" means man-portable.
So not a tank or F-15 or even a 50 cal M2.
That was Justice Scalia's opinion too. Full auto is fine. Also hand carried grenade launchers, claymores, and rocket launchers, etc., all should be legal.
So not a tank or F-15 or even a 50 cal M2.
That was Justice Scalia's opinion too. Full auto is fine. Also hand carried grenade launchers, claymores, and rocket launchers, etc., all should be legal.
This post was edited on 3/29 at 7:26 am
re: Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership, this could get good...or heated.Posted by dgnx6 on 3/28/23 at 6:33 pm to Bass Tiger
I disagree because the military only has shite because the taxpayers pay for it.
Civilians used to have the better weaponry. The government couldn’t afford the upgrades.
Civilians used to have the better weaponry. The government couldn’t afford the upgrades.
re: Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership, this could get good...or heated.Posted by Taxing Authority on 3/28/23 at 6:33 pm to Bass Tiger
quote:Really not possible. Most non-owners have no idea what an assault rifle is, much less know that AR-15s aren't actually very powerful. But... they believe it can decapitate people and split them in half if shot in the torso with one.
Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership,
Take a leftist shooting. It cures them most of the time.
re: Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership, this could get good...or heated.Posted by LRB1967 on 3/28/23 at 6:34 pm to Bass Tiger
Only one reasonable position - forget about gun control and focus on criminal control.
re: Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership, this could get good...or heated.Posted by DisplacedBuckeye on 3/28/23 at 6:35 pm to Bass Tiger
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heated
BamaAtl, get your bitch arse in here.
re: Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership, this could get good...or heated.Posted by FATBOY TIGER on 3/28/23 at 6:35 pm to Bass Tiger
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discussion about gun ownership,
Theres not one to be had IMO
My 2 cents.
re: Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership, this could get good...or heated.Posted by Robin Masters on 3/28/23 at 6:37 pm to Bass Tiger
The people should be able to have whatever the government has. If the government doesn't want the people to have it then they shouldn't buy it. Nice check and balance.
re: Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership, this could get good...or heated.Posted by BearCrocs on 3/28/23 at 6:38 pm to FATBOY TIGER
The beauty of the second amendment is it’s not up for debate.
Also, semi automatic weapons are common use guns, so the armed government that wants to disarm the governed can frick right off
Also, semi automatic weapons are common use guns, so the armed government that wants to disarm the governed can frick right off
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re: Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership, this could get good...or heated.Posted by Bass Tiger on 3/28/23 at 6:39 pm to Taxing Authority
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Really not possible. Most non-owners have no idea what an assault rifle is, much less know that AR-15s aren't actually very powerful. But... they believe it can decapitate people and split them in half if shot in the torso with one.
The majority of Dims believe AR means assault rifle.
re: Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership, this could get good...or heated.Posted by timdonaghyswhistle on 3/28/23 at 6:40 pm to Bass Tiger
We can't stop tax cheats with a tax code that is over 1,000 pages in length.
Good luck stopping a person dead set on murder.
When there were 4 people on earth, the other 3 couldn't stop one.
Good luck stopping a person dead set on murder.
When there were 4 people on earth, the other 3 couldn't stop one.
re: Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership, this could get good...or heated.Posted by This GUN for HIRE on 3/28/23 at 6:44 pm to Bass Tiger
Being that this is, or should be, a government of, for, & by the people, there should be no restrictions. “Shall not infringe” seems to come to mind.
re: Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership, this could get good...or heated.Posted by Bass Tiger on 3/28/23 at 6:45 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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BamaAtl, get your bitch arse in here.
The progressive pacifists who are more concerned about proper pronoun usage, who are more concerned on dumping billions in Ukraine will probably avoid this thread.
re: Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership, this could get good...or heated.Posted by jatilen on 3/28/23 at 6:48 pm to Bass Tiger
The banning of "assault weapons" will have no affect on the ability of nutcases to acquire them. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were able to easily acquire the TEC-DC9 which was included in Bill Clinton's "The Federal Assault Weapons Ban".
This post was edited on 3/28 at 6:49 pm
re: Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership, this could get good...or heated.Posted by deltaland on 3/28/23 at 7:16 pm to Bass Tiger
If you have no criminal record and can afford it you should be able to purchase any personal weapon the military can have including explosives, machine guns, and shoulder fired rocket launchers.
Only weapons of mass destruction like missiles, bombs, nukes, artillery should be banned. I.e stuff that requires more than one person or heavy machinery to fire. If you can carry it and shoot it you should be able to own it
Only weapons of mass destruction like missiles, bombs, nukes, artillery should be banned. I.e stuff that requires more than one person or heavy machinery to fire. If you can carry it and shoot it you should be able to own it
re: Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership, this could get good...or heated.Posted by TulaneFan on 3/28/23 at 7:20 pm to Bass Tiger
Think about how bad things are right now
Then think about how much worse they would be without the 2nd Amendment
Then think about how much worse they would be without the 2nd Amendment
re: Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership, this could get good...or heated.Posted by POTUS2024 on 3/28/23 at 7:25 pm to Bass Tiger
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no sale if a citizen has a known or certifiable mental illness.
What's a mental illness? People with ADD have to see a psychiatrist for their meds. Are they now disqualified? A 35yr old woman who suddenly loses her mother goes to the doctor because she's depressed, and is given Valium in order to help her sleep. Does she have mental illness?
A diagnostic code does not mean a person is dangerous.
re: Let's have a sensible discussion about gun ownership, this could get good...or heated.Posted by LSUbest on 3/28/23 at 7:28 pm to Bass Tiger
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in a worst case scenario, to protect yourself against an authoritarian government.
You will need
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basically weapons that are used exclusively in a combat theater.
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weapons that require extensive knowledge and training, like shoulder launched stinger missiles, RPGs, tanks, mortars, artillery, drones that are designed to carry munitions, heavy caliber machine guns in the 50 cal class
Some don't require extensive knowledge and training, I shot vipers, laws and a tow simulator, I also drove a tank, My job was mortars, although none of that was in combat.
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The only restrictions I would have is a no sale or possession of a firearm if you've been convicted of using a firearm committing a crime and no sale if a citizen has a known or certifiable mental illness. I'm sorry, no exceptions because nearly every nutjob that's committed mass murder has later been determined to have a history of mental illness.
I'm good with that but you have to nail it down like a tranny's nuts on a wooden table, implementation is where they screw us.
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So I'm not sure banning "assault rifles" really accomplishes anything.
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We know what those who call for banning certain rifles really want, they want your guns
It accomplishes a step in their agenda.
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Imagine if a psychopath mass murderer had two sawed off 12GA semi automatic shotguns with the plugs removed loaded up with 3 inch 00 buckshot, depending on the model of the shotguns the psychopath could have at least 15-20 shells for the first wave of the assault, throw in a couple of semi automatic handguns with another 20-30 rounds and you have every bit the carnage you would have with an AR-15 or AK47.
Common sense is not permitted during the discussion of common sense gun laws.
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