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re: Let’s check in on Portland since basically all drugs were legalized
Posted on 1/31/24 at 8:09 pm to Aubie Spr96
Posted on 1/31/24 at 8:09 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Prohibition has never worked, ever. And it never will work.
True, but more people die from alcohol and related problems than any other substance--AND IT'S LEGAL
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Posted on 1/31/24 at 8:11 pm to idlewatcher
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I’ll never understand it either.
It works in some places where drugs aren't really a problem to begin with
Problem is we have a ton of addicts already here
I think probably the most prudent thing to do would to be at minimum keep the manufacturing and distribution of drugs illegal. Offer help to addicts and if necessary force them to get help if they're a nuisance to the community.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 1:26 pm to jrobic4
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True, but more people die from alcohol and related problems than any other substance--AND IT'S LEGAL
How did banning it go?
Posted on 2/1/24 at 1:29 pm to jrobic4
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True, but more people die from alcohol and related problems than any other substance--AND IT'S LEGAL
People choosing to consumer dangerous plants or compounds should be no interest of the government.
Our own lawmakers are some of the worst offenders. Most are probably running on amphetamines or cocaine.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 1:31 pm to Aubie Spr96
You’re looking at it from the fentanyl aspect. How many heroin users do you know who just “ do it on the weekends to party”?
Posted on 2/1/24 at 1:32 pm to Fun Bunch
Ive been saying this for years and maybe people will wake up.
They are killing us without having to fire a single shot.
They are killing us without having to fire a single shot.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 1:33 pm to dgnx6
I'm fine with letting drug users die out.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 1:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I'm fine with letting drug users die out.
I dont know the numbers, but we arent doing that really, we are using resources to save them.
I wonder how many ods weve had that didnt lead to death because narcan was administered.
Plus you can od on it at the hospital, so they should bring you back in that situation.
But the 65k deaths from just fentanyl is a lot. Thats just one year.
This post was edited on 2/1/24 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 2/1/24 at 1:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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People choosing to consumer dangerous plants or compounds should be no interest of the government.
Disagree
Posted on 2/1/24 at 1:49 pm to idlewatcher
Not that my opinion matters, but legalizing drug use doesn't also have to include letting people shite, piss, and squat on public land.
Perhaps they are always intertwined, but it seems odd that "allowing drug use" necessarily included allowing them to harass other people, when there are multiple other laws on the books to enforce that.
Perhaps they are always intertwined, but it seems odd that "allowing drug use" necessarily included allowing them to harass other people, when there are multiple other laws on the books to enforce that.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 1:55 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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Not that my opinion matters, but legalizing drug use doesn't also have to include letting people shite, piss, and squat on public land.
Yes it does. They will spend all available resources on drugs/alcohol/cigs and maybe a little food.
(I'm not talking the light-to-moderate MJ users.)
It is not something a hard drug user "does" - it is who they are (or, at the very least, who they become). So, if they don't have a wealthy/powerful father or some other support system, they're going to:
1. Do hard drugs
2. Do whatever it takes to use hard drugs
3. shite, piss and squat on public land
#Facts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 1:55 pm to Rex Feral
Always reasonable to ask if there is even a single example in this country where Leftist “progressive” control made things better?
Would appear we have plenty of examples where it made things much worse. Portland being but one of them.
Would appear we have plenty of examples where it made things much worse. Portland being but one of them.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:00 pm to Ace Midnight
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Yes it does. They will spend all available resources on drugs/alcohol/cigs and maybe a little food.
(I'm not talking the light-to-moderate MJ users.)
It is not something a hard drug user "does" - it is who they are (or, at the very least, who they become). So, if they don't have a wealthy/powerful father or some other support system, they're going to:
1. Do hard drugs
2. Do whatever it takes to use hard drugs
3. shite, piss and squat on public land
#Facts
You misunderstood the post.
I'm talking about local law enforcement of the law. Not what the drug user will or won't do. Portland didn't have to look the other way and not pick these people up for the other crimes they are committing when they decriminalized drugs.
It always struck me as odd that these cities felt like they had to take the whole pie. In fact, unlike religion, it is a buffet. I mean, I do know why I suppose, they believe the user has no responsibility for their actions.
If I legalize alcohol it doesn't mean I have to allow wife beating, for example.
I'd imagine these people would otherwise end up with criminal records but drugs wouldn't be one of them, and the end result would likely be similar to a place where drugs are illegal, but that's only a guess.
This post was edited on 2/1/24 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:05 pm to dgnx6
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I dont know the numbers, but we arent doing that really, we are using resources to save them.
Yep. We've managed to outmaneuver natural selection which has allowed very weak people to survive on public welfare and crime.
You can create a better society just letting people deal with the results of their own actions, and their own choice.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:06 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:09 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Right, the issue is public camping and allowing them to take over entire neighborhoods.
Portland just decided to let people be feral on public property. Thats a ridiculous decision.
Portland just decided to let people be feral on public property. Thats a ridiculous decision.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:13 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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You misunderstood the post.
No I didn't.
Another way to say it:
"We just decided to not prosecute petty theft, under $500. We didn't agree to flash mobs, massive crime rate increases and retailers closing up shop and GTFO."
Yes you did.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:34 pm to dgnx6
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I dont know the numbers, but we arent doing that really, we are using resources to save them. I wonder how many ods weve had that didnt lead to death because narcan was administered. Plus you can od on it at the hospital, so they should bring you back in that situation. But the 65k deaths from just fentanyl is a lot. Thats just one year.
Yep, we’ve saved a lot due to Narcan.
We also have them brought into the ER via EMS to be checked out after being resuscitated. You’d be shocked how many walk out and OD again before they leave the parking lot.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:35 pm to Fun Bunch
And what is the fentanyl crisis like in places were it ISN'T legal?
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:42 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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Not that my opinion matters, but legalizing drug use doesn't also have to include letting people shite, piss, and squat on public land.
Perhaps they are always intertwined, but it seems odd that "allowing drug use" necessarily included allowing them to harass other people, when there are multiple other laws on the books to enforce that.
Do you also think if you encourage your daughter to become a whore, that it doesn’t make it more likely she comes home with venereal diseases?
If you enable a behavior, you encourage things associated with that behavior.
How is it possible to not view it that way?
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