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re: Let's be honest, what is truly the wedge issue between conservative patriots and the left?
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:05 pm to Bass Tiger
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:05 pm to Bass Tiger
The wedge is people that believe in working for your money and that success is earned vs those that wish it wasn’t true and come up with excuses for why they don’t work hard. Unfortunately it often takes an entire generation to have “success”
The left simply uses those that wish it wasn’t true
The left simply uses those that wish it wasn’t true
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Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:06 pm to EKG
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It’s part of the reason I’m so blown away by the conservative response to COVID/public schools. Taxes or not, I’d sooner jump off a cliff than rely on public schools to educate my kids.
Is your reticence to use public schools because they are provided by the government (i.e. regardless of the quality of the education), or because you are concerned with indoctrination or sub-par education?
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:07 pm to arcalades
The Pharisees were some of the most devout religious people in the days of Jesus, and Jesus shows you what He thought about them.
Some people don't realize Jesus was one of the least "religious" people at that time. By the way, when I hear people talk about religion, I think they mean rules rather than following Christ Jesus.
Anyone can say god is awesome (small g intended), but when you say Jesus is your Lord and Savior, there really is not mistake Who you are talking about and Who you are aligned with.
Some people don't realize Jesus was one of the least "religious" people at that time. By the way, when I hear people talk about religion, I think they mean rules rather than following Christ Jesus.
Anyone can say god is awesome (small g intended), but when you say Jesus is your Lord and Savior, there really is not mistake Who you are talking about and Who you are aligned with.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:08 pm to westide
quote:no. It's simply good vs evil, building vs destroying. The left are agents of Satan. Satan is all about destroying. What does everything the left does have in common: destruction. The left is all about destroying the family, lives (fetuses), businesses, etc. Look at all the hills the lefties fight for. Every major issue for the left comes down to something the left wants to destroy.
The wedge issue is freedom vs tyranny. It isn't rocket science.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:08 pm to gthog61
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I am conservative but not religious.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:09 pm to Bass Tiger
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The Dim Marxist Party has changed seismically over the past 30 years....they despise all religions, particularly Christians and Jews. When you look at the BLM, Antifa, and the more radical factions of the Dim Marxists party they are agnostic and atheists by and large. Their religion is tyrannical government mixed with humanism and environmentalism.
You're describing, what, 10% of Dems?
Every liberal I know has a faith they practice, go about 75/25 (for) on abortion, and do not support the BS that's happening now in the country (BLM/Antifa).
Similarly, we (conservative patriots) MAY not make up a clear majority of the Republican party, and if we do - we definitely don't hold commensurate power.
IMO - the real contest is between the rich/powerful (Bezos and the Kochs are on the same side) and the rest of us. Conservatives make the mistake in believing they're a part of the monied-class, and that makes us as easy to be made useful idiots as the blacks are by the welfare state.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:09 pm to gthog61
quote:But you recognize and adhere to the principles of Christian morality on which this country was founded. Principles that served as the basis for the Constitution. Christianity is what once allowed people from all over Europe to unite with a common purpose.
I am conservative but not religious.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -John Adams
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:10 pm to Bass Tiger
I believe it boils down to these 3 on wedge issues
1. Social Justice vs Personal Responsibility
2. Socialism vs Capitalism
3. Anti Americanism vs American Exceptionalism
Religion plays small part in this. Don’t believe me then look at polls of Blacks who are way more religious than whites. Yet they vote 88% or higher for Democrats on average. The Catholic Church in America is 50/50 on abortion.
1. Social Justice vs Personal Responsibility
2. Socialism vs Capitalism
3. Anti Americanism vs American Exceptionalism
Religion plays small part in this. Don’t believe me then look at polls of Blacks who are way more religious than whites. Yet they vote 88% or higher for Democrats on average. The Catholic Church in America is 50/50 on abortion.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:13 pm to arcalades
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hopefully you know Christ. otherwise you've got very big problem
This is creepy.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:14 pm to arcalades
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hopefully you know Christ. otherwise you've got very big problem
This right here is what drives conservatives like myself away from the GOP. I'd been a registered republican since I turned 18 in 1988 and votes straight line GOP until the past 10 years when I felt I had to move towards the Libertarian candidate because of this kind of attitude. Switched party affiliation to Independent a couple of years ago. There's ZERO reason where you should be picking a fight with people right of center who simply disagree about the existence of gods. We have far more in common than we have disagreements, yet this kind of talk drives people away.
FWIW, I'm voting Trump this time in November.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:15 pm to gthog61
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I am conservative but not religious.
Yeah, I don't think God is it.
The basic difference is philosophical. Conservatives believe government is necessary but should be limited. People should be responsible for themselves.
Leftists believe government should run your life because you're too stupid to do so.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:23 pm to Steadmans Cheddar
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Is your reticence to use public schools because they are provided by the government (i.e. regardless of the quality of the education), or because you are concerned with indoctrination or sub-par education?
Children learn most effectively through play.
That’s their job.
Not “free-for-all” mayhem, but through meaningful, self-guided exploration.
Environments that allow children to discover, construct, and think critically are those in which children excel.
I spent a month in Italy with other professors, examining brain-based, cognitive development.
The kiddos who excel—across the world—are those who don’t sit at desks, participating in rote, didactic activities.
Public schools not only tell children what to learn, they dictate how to learn (yes or no questions, right or wrong answers, rather than open-ended reflection).
Furthermore, it’s not the government’s job to tell me when my kids should be in school, when parents are permitted on campus, and/or what inappropriate quantitative measure my child “earned” on a standardized, one-size-fits-all method of assessment.
And yes, I take issue with indoctrination.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:23 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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I felt I had to move towards the Libertarian candidate because of this kind of attitude. Switched party affiliation to Independent a couple of years ago.
Even if you don't subscribe to Christian doctrine, you shouldn't have trouble finding a reason to promote it for others.
We've seen the societal results of American liberty without Christian morality. It has blue hair, and it thinks a woman can have a penis, children as young as 5 can have sex-change operations, and porn is harmless. Freedom without morality is destructive. And morality without Christianity is relative and arbitrary. Social justice comes to mind
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:26 pm to Pecker
Liberty
Equality
Choose one!
Equality
Choose one!
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:27 pm to gthog61
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I am conservative but not religious.
So, your Rights are not "inalienable" and do NOT come from God, but the electoral will of the majority or the whims and dictates of whomever happens to wield power?
The Founders were wise. The idea of God - that Religion - supposedly serves to elucidate and promote, is a wise idea. Even regardless of whether or not God exists. Otherwise, it's Mother Nature and Darwin that sets the ultimate standards.
Ironic that the Left serves neither. Just their own subjective POV re what is just or unjust, moral or immoral. They just as well pick up their guns; talk won't cut it.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:31 pm to Pecker
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Even if you don't subscribe to Christian doctrine, you shouldn't have trouble finding a reason to promote it for others.
Someone in this very thread just implied that without "knowing" Jesus there would be some bad end. That's just a threat, and I'm not fond of those...regardless of whether or not I believe in the mystical underpinnings of it. As the old saying goes, you get more flies with honey than vinegar.
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We've seen the societal results of American liberty without Christian morality.
I just consider most of that the right thing to do. When you label it as specifically Christian morality, it drives away non-Christians who hold many of the very same beliefs but arrive at them from different angles.
For instance, I'm pretty anti-abortion, but I arrive at that position not from a religious one but from an atheistic one. Since I believe that we only get one shot at life I find it abhorrent that someone would snuff out a human life for what in nearly all cases ends up being convenience. Is it not enough we agree on the issue...do we need to agree for the same reasons as well?
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:32 pm to zeebo
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Liberty
Equality
Choose one!
Equality before God serves the culture
Equality before the law serves the society
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:37 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:These people give Christians a bad name
Someone in this very thread just implied that without "knowing" Jesus there would be some bad end.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:39 pm to Bass Tiger
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what is truly the wedge issue between conservative patriots and the left?
Free speech is the wedge issue and everything that surrounds it is just verbal clutter. Wait one day very very soon the Government will file some lawsuit to stifle one's right to speak on issues are factually correct. Its coming so bookmark this post.
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:40 pm to Bass Tiger
white guy posts that he never gets turned down for being white.
thanks op.
try submitting a resume with your qualifications and name of
Jefferson Jones
then same resume with name
Brooks Reynolds.
thanks op.
try submitting a resume with your qualifications and name of
Jefferson Jones
then same resume with name
Brooks Reynolds.
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