re: Left-Wing News Hired Hitman Charged W/ 2nd Degree Murder Of Patriot

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Keltner's hands were at his side. The defense may assert he could have been a threat, but you don't get to shoot people for what they might do without reasonable ground such as immediate actions.

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Someone hits you violently on the head and then takes two steps back.

Are you seriously arguing that, immediately after the assault and during the backward steps), you are not legally justified in drawing (but not firing) your weapon to protect yourself from further assault?

Had Keltner KEPT his hands at his sides and had Dolloff then shot him, we would be having an ENTIRELY different discussion. In fact, it would not BE much of a "discussion" because we would ALL agree that the shooting was NOT justified.

But Keltner DID raise his arm and he DID aim a weapon at Dolloff. You don't like it, but that changes the calculus markedly.

Has it been asked what the “guards” qualifications were If the news station didn’t know he was armed?

Any hand to hand combat training listed? Was he listed as a second degree blackbelt?

These questions will be asked. They expected him to be armed.

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drawing his weapon after he was assaulted by Keltner, a

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After looking at all of the video evidence in this thread to continue to assert that Keltner assaulted Dollof when it is obvious Keltner is reacting to an aggressive act by Dollof is just dumb.

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I am talking about condition setting. He would not be in the position to commit murder if he was not performing duties he was not authorized to perform.

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Indeed

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Slapping someone across the face for putting hands on you is probably fairly reasonable.

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Agreed.

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Are you seriously arguing that,

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I'm arguing the same thing I've been arguing. Nothing is new information and I am not going to allow you to erroneously try to frame my own argument

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But Keltner DID raise his arm and he DID aim a weapon at Dolloff.

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After Dolloff began drawing a HANDGUN, yes.

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Interestingly, Keltners slap would not be considered assault by Colorado statute

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Not a criminal assault, true.

But it is a civil assault and a civil battery, unless justified by Dolloff's prior actions when placing himself between Newman and Keltner.

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The real takeaway is don’t be a hero when exiting a protest in an urban center.

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Yup. The event was long over (hence there was no story Helen, Zack and Matt - but all of you knew that). Stay with your friends and keep walking to your vehicle. Ignore all of the provocateurs. And the MSM is your enemy.

DB, for your frame of reference, here are the three "news personnel" linking up just short of the site of the confrontation. The Patriot Muster has been over for quite some time and all the participants are walking to 13th Avenue to return to the parking lots.

What news stories are over there?



For frame of reference, the "news personnel" linkup occurs in the vicinity of the red arrow moments before the altercation between Lee (L) Keltner and Jeremiah (E) Elliot. Zack (N) Newman and Matthew (D) Dolloff are in trail north of the confrontation and filming it. Helen (R) Richardson (Denver Post) is northeast and photographing it. Richardson has been with Elliot and photographing him since the Patriot Muster has dismissed.

Dollof was itching to go

He should’ve said he thought it was a gun from the jump then. Rather than saying he was protecting Newman from mace.