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re: Left-Wing News Hired Hitman Charged W/ 2nd Degree Murder Of Patriot
Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:07 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:07 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Sweet.
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Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:07 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:You're conflating a debate of simple assault with homicide. The difference in this case involves the term "life-threatening". Cops were ten seconds away to respond to an assault claim.
The difference between an aggressive strike and a defensive slap are not semantics in a self-defense claim.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:08 pm to NC_Tigah
He doesn’t even believe any of that. It’s his schtick. He’s a smarter AggieHank.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:08 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
The relevant part of all that is Keltner has no idea who this “punk kid” is who put his hands on him and attempted to push him back.
He doesn’t know if he’s security or just random dude. Slapping someone across the face for putting hands on you is probably fairly reasonable.
He doesn’t know if he’s security or just random dude. Slapping someone across the face for putting hands on you is probably fairly reasonable.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:09 pm to NC_Tigah
Interestingly, Keltners slap would not be considered assault by Colorado statute.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:10 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
He is going up for 2nd degree murder (which they will, in the end, easily prove). An aggravating element to contribute will be the unlicensed security duty (doubt they will even add it as a charge - chump change). It will be hammered home without mercy. He was not where he was supposed to be, doing things he was not supposed to be doing.
I still want your opinion on his reaction to the slap. Was he in the midst of an immediate action drill (or appropriate USMC vernacular).
I still want your opinion on his reaction to the slap. Was he in the midst of an immediate action drill (or appropriate USMC vernacular).
Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:10 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
You're conflating a debate of simple assault with homicide. The difference in this case involves the term "life-threatening". Cops were ten seconds away to respond to an assault claim.
You don't think Keltner's weapon will be brought up? I do, and I'd be curious to hear what Dolloff said to investigators before speaking with an attorney.
I don't think this is as much of a slam dunk as you, I suppose.
I think it's a conviction, but the prosection better not frick it up.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:11 pm to Tiguar
The jury won’t be deciding this based on whether or not that’s an assault. They will be taking into account Keltner’s tattoos and the direction of the wind blowing.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:12 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Dolloffs knowledge of Keltners concealed weapon is a honey pot.
The defense can bring it up but then it will beg the question of how he knew about it, and shite will go down.
The defense can bring it up but then it will beg the question of how he knew about it, and shite will go down.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:14 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
I still want your opinion on his reaction to the slap. Was he in the midst of an immediate action drill (or appropriate USMC vernacular).
I believe so. I think, for whatever his reasoning, as soon as he planted his foot the outcome was predetermined.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:14 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:Nah.
That is what he will be going away for.
It does speak to any right Dolloff had to initiate, and lay hands on Keltner though. Had Dolloff backed off after getting bitchslapped, and gone to the cops, his lack of license likely would have led to any charges against Keltner being dropped.
This post was edited on 10/16/20 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:15 pm to Tiguar
Maybe.
It isn't a stretch for Dolloff to have observed Keltner. I don't think it's a difficult argument to make, assuming Dolloff didn't blow that defense up when speaking with police initially.
It isn't a stretch for Dolloff to have observed Keltner. I don't think it's a difficult argument to make, assuming Dolloff didn't blow that defense up when speaking with police initially.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:17 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:FML
I believe so.
They just do not understand.
To us, and those like us.
We will see how this plays out in court.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:17 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
It opens an avenue for people to crack. Detectives will key on him “observing” Keltner and go from there. Seems like someone acting in a security capacity would be more interested in observing the BGM loud mouth instigating folks.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:20 pm to Tiguar
Sure, and I'd hope his defense would be smart enough to portray it in that manner. Meaning, he wasn't necessarily focused on Keltner specifically, but he did see him. Maybe even got a look at that holstered pistol.
Or, maybe I hope they're foolish enough not to and it's an easy conviction.
Or, maybe I hope they're foolish enough not to and it's an easy conviction.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:20 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Poorly worded. I am talking about condition setting. He would not be in the position to commit murder if he was not performing duties he was not authorized to perform. It is kind of a military/UCMJ approach to law. Hard to get that method of thinking out of my head after nearly forty years in uniform. He is going to prison for 2nd degree murder. Period.
Nah.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:20 pm to Wolfhound45
I'll be following it like most of these cases. If nothing else, we can learn from both parties what not to do.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:21 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
The thing I took away was don’t hold a spray can in your draw hand.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:22 pm to Tiguar
quote:No.
you don't get to shoot someone for slapping you upside the head on the street and backing up telling you "do something, pussy"
But that just might change in the minds of the jury, when the assailant then raises and aims a weapon at you.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:23 pm to Tiguar
The real takeaway is don’t be a hero when exiting a protest in an urban center. Just go to your car and ignore the shitbirds who don’t contribute anything to society.
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