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re: Left-Wing News Hired Hitman Charged W/ 2nd Degree Murder Of Patriot
Posted on 10/16/20 at 1:46 pm to Wolfhound45
Posted on 10/16/20 at 1:46 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:I have not argued with any of that. To the contrary, he was very probably committing a misdemeanor by accepting money to “guard” Newman.
It has been stated multiple times in this thread that the position of 9News is that Dolloff was security for Newman. And yet you called me out for pointing out he cannot enter into a legal obligation because he is not authorized to.
None of that has any effect upon his right to self-defense when someone hits him on the head and then points a weapon at him.
Committing a minor misdemeanor does not dictate that he must potentially sacrifice his life to a potential assailant.
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Posted on 10/16/20 at 1:47 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Listen carefully. That was Newman.
All Dolloff said was “that guy was going to get me.”
Posted on 10/16/20 at 1:48 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
None of that has any effect upon his right to self-defense when someone hits him on the head and then points a weapon at him.
Committing a minor misdemeanor does not dictate that he must potentially sacrifice his life to a potential assailant.
We're still talking about a slap and some pepper spray right?
Posted on 10/16/20 at 1:50 pm to AggieHank86
Wtf are you doing? You know good and well dollof started to draw his pistol before any pepper spray was deployed.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 1:50 pm to AggieHank86
The right to self-defense does not automatically grant the ability to use deadly force in that vein, but you know that. Colorado statute explicitly states you must have reasonable ground to believe no lesser amount of force is adequate.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 1:51 pm to LafTiger
quote:Let’s start with an easier scenario, and work to the hard ones.
If I'm understanding, if Dolloff stepped in and didn't just "place his hands on Keltner's chest" and did try to grab at the can of mace, which prompted the slap, then Dolloff could be the aggressor. If not, then Keltner could be labeled the aggressor. That makes sense.
If Keltner had said something nasty to Newman and if Dolloff had responded by stepping into his path and belting Keltner in the nose, Dolloff would be the aggressor.
Grabbing for Keltner’s holstered pistol or mace can (if that happened) is less clear, but MIGHT be “aggressor” country.
But it is hard to argue with a straight fact that simply stepping forward and saying (rhetorically) “guys, let’s not get violent” would constitute “aggression.”
Posted on 10/16/20 at 1:51 pm to AggieHank86
quote:That is a lie. He did not point a weapon at him. As I demonstrated earlier Dolloff transitioned into an immediate action drill after being struck. Keltner’s hands were by his side and he was backing up. There was no threat.
None of that has any effect upon his right to self-defense when someone hits him on the head and then points a weapon at him.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 1:52 pm to AggieHank86
FYI you’re starting to omit information and obfuscate like you were a couple days ago when you were getting your arse handed to you.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 1:53 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:Could be. You labeled it as Dolloff, so I might have interpreted it that way subconsciously. If you are sure it was Newman, I will accept that for purposes of discussion.
Listen carefully. That was Newman.
Either way, I did not hear Dolloff admitting to the police that he knew Keltner was only pointing mace at him, as another poster asserted.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 1:55 pm to AggieHank86
Dolloff identifies himself as security and then wisely goes silent. From that point on Newman is speaking. I skipped over one as I was editing.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 1:56 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:YES! I just frickING SAID THAT.
Wtf are you doing? You know good and well dollof started to draw his pistol before any pepper spray was deployed.
quote:
Keltner hit Dolloff in the head then started to step back and perhaps started raising his mace can. Dolloff started drawing, raising and eventually aiming his weapon. Keltner released the gas before Dolloff had finished raising the handgun, and Dolloff fired at Keltner about 0.2 seconds after the gas deployed.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 1:57 pm to Tiguar
quote:YES.
Colorado statute explicitly states you must have reasonable ground to believe no lesser amount of force is adequate.
And it is the province of the JURY to make that determination.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 1:58 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:So, you agree that the poster who attributed an admission to Dolloff was ... mistaken?
Dolloff identifies himself as security and then wisely goes silent. From that point on Newman is speaking. I skipped over one as I was editing.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 1:59 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
None of that has any effect upon his right to self-defense when someone hits him on the head and then points a weapon at him.
The moment Dolloff reached for his pistol he had made the decision to transition to deadly force. Keltner, who had his hands at his side, was racing to catch up with non-lethal force at that point.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 2:01 pm to AggieHank86
Who? Be specific. Dolloff clearly states he is security. He does not want to be shot by police who are responding. He then goes silent. Newman speaks from that point forward defending/minimizing the actions of Dolloff.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 2:06 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
None of that has any effect upon his right to self-defense when someone hits him on the head and then points a weapon at him.
You say a lot of shite.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 2:15 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:Bass, at 1245pm on page 87
Who? Be specific. Dolloff clearly states he is security. He does not want to be shot by police who are responding. He then goes silent. Newman speaks from that point forward defending/minimizing the actions of Dolloff.
quote:I agree with you that Dolloff acted properly by identifying himself and then shutting his yap.
He (Dolloff) should’ve said he thought it was a gun from the jump then. Rather than saying he was protecting Newman from mace.
This post was edited on 10/16/20 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 10/16/20 at 2:31 pm to AggieHank86
Bass can speak for himself.
The voices are distinctly different. Dolloff speaks once and then goes silent. Newman begins trying to establish the narrative (laughingly so) that is was a life or death situation. All clearly rehearsed.
Keep beating at .02 seconds.
An innocent man was murdered in front of his son for a news story to designed to impugn our President and his followers. There was absolutely no reason for Richardson, Newman and Dolloff to have followed the attendees that far away from the event. It was over with and there was no reason to suspect there would be anything newsworthy that would occur on the way back to the parking lots.
Unless you fabricated it.
The voices are distinctly different. Dolloff speaks once and then goes silent. Newman begins trying to establish the narrative (laughingly so) that is was a life or death situation. All clearly rehearsed.
Keep beating at .02 seconds.
An innocent man was murdered in front of his son for a news story to designed to impugn our President and his followers. There was absolutely no reason for Richardson, Newman and Dolloff to have followed the attendees that far away from the event. It was over with and there was no reason to suspect there would be anything newsworthy that would occur on the way back to the parking lots.
Unless you fabricated it.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 2:35 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
quote:Yes he was.
Dollof was itching to go
Posted on 10/16/20 at 2:42 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:Law enforcement had erected hurricane fences to move the crowd in a very specific direction. That location was the choke point in the funnel leaving the event. It was the place at which unpleasant interaction was most likely.
There was absolutely no reason for Richardson, Newman and Dolloff to have followed the attendees that far away from the event. It was over with and there was no reason to suspect there would be anything newsworthy that would occur on the way back to the parking lots.
I am SURE Newman and Dolloff expected to get something juicy there. It is even POSSIBLE that they planned it. But even if that were not true, that location would still have been the best location at which to record anything that happened, because it was the location at which something was most likely to happen.
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