re: Left-Wing News Hired Hitman Charged W/ 2nd Degree Murder Of Patriot

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Look at that he was drawing well before the spray even came up.

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No question about this. Dolloff unholstered his weapon in response to Keltner’s assault on Dolloff. (Feel free to minimize the assault by calling it a “slap,” but it a rose is a rose by any name.)

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He legit shot that man over being slapped.

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Dolloff pulled the trigger of his weapon AFTER Keltner raised SOMETHING in his right hand, pointed that “something” at Doloff, and discharged that “something” in a way that created both a sound and a smoke cloud.

Given the very short time frame, it might not have been unreasonable for Dolloff to believe that Keltner was raising and firing a handgun. That is certainly how I would frame the matter, if I were representing him.

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Looks kind of like she was taking pictures in burst mode maybe so it does seem like there are missing photos, but I am not a photography person.

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Depends upon the camera and the settings. Can we ID the camera from EXIF data? If the time stamp is available on EXIF, the camera model may also be accessible.

Most high-end DSLR cameras have a setting for both “continuous burst” (fires until the buffer is full) and “short burst” (fires a fixed number of times). Often the EXIIF data will even include info on shutter release mode. Mine does.

Have any of our forensic detectives determined whether there are OTHER gaps and whether any such gaps are separated by a fixed number of frames? If so, that would indicate that she was shooting in short burst mode.

There’s no way they could reasonably believe it’s a gun when their Black guns matter buddy is yelling “mace” “mace” “mace.”

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Any idea where it is?

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He pulled it out about 10secs later when the BlackGunsMatter POS shoved the older guy. That's when the BGM POS started into his "mace ME mutherf****r! mace ME n**ga!" tirade. Dolloff was right there the entire time.

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Do you have a link to the “mace me” confrontation? I cannot find it.

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LINK

I found it, too. Thx. He had it in his hand a good 7-8 seconds before he walked away from BGM Guy.

Asuming Dolloff was watching Keltner closely during the prior confrontation, it is certainly possible that Dolloff was aware that Keltner had a gas spray cannister in his right hand.

Hank how would you compare this shooting to the Kyle Rittenhouse shooting? Did either, both, or neither have a reason to fear for their personal safety or the safety of those around them?

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Nikon D5

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Nikon burst mode

Looks like this camera has only the one “continuous” burst mode. You can “feather” the SR button, but the frame rate will be inconsistent.

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Hank how would you compare this shooting to the Kyle Rittenhouse shooting? Did either, both, or neither have a reason to fear for their personal safety or the safety of those around them?

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Rittenhouse is an easy case of self-defense. I have said here many times that I personally would not have charged him as a prosecutor, but it is a matter of prosecutorial discretion, and the local politics almost mandated the charges. Sad but true.

This case seems to be much closer, but our video evidence is also less extensive at this point. The facts are adequately-ambiguous that I could argue either side in good conscience.

If I were the prosecutor, I would argue all of the same points that the majority has argued on this thread and its companions.

But I think the case will turn upon the simple fact that the state has the burden in Colorado of DISproving an affirmative defense, as opposed to the defendant having the burden of proving its applicability (as in some other states). I think Dolloff walks, but would be convicted if HE had the BoP.

The sequence is the key. There is no question that Dolloff unholstered his weapon AFTER Keltner assaulted him. Nonetheless, he would not have been justified in firing at that point. Keltner‘s deployment of the gas could certainly be argued as something which could have been interpreted as a threat of bodily injury.

I can already hear the arguments. “But Dilloff laid his hands on Keltner.” Yes, he apoarently stepped between two people in order to prevent a physical altercation. Just like the older man, a few seconds earlier, had stepped between Keltner and the BGM individual. Would BGM have been (at that point) justifying in assaulting the old man? I think we can all agree that the answer is “no.” Only political affiliation causes the majority here to say that Keltner was justified in assaulting Dolloff. The same people would attack BGM guy as the aggressor.

Look at it objectively. Someone just committed an assault upon you. He takes one step back then raises his right arm and points an object in your direction. In that split-second, is it reasonable to think that you may be in danger? Remember who has the burden of proof.

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I corrected my initially-poor word choice

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You are a lying piece of dog shite.

You chose your words carefully.

You called Rittenhouse a murderer for a very specific reason.

No one is falling for your shtick anymore, little fellow.