re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

With all that's going on inside America and in Venezuela, Ukraine and Iran, Greenland looks like a screw-up and a useless distraction to me.

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So, we seize tankers and oil destined for Russia, and China to achieve this. Also, the production from oilfields both have spent money on. Let me see, last time I checked $100 billion from China and $20 billion spent by Rosneft are now effectively controlled by the US

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how is that inconsistant with that worldview?

We gently return the Russian sailors... he sells the oil and puts the money in a Qatari bank... who knows where it ends up, eventually...

but the thing is the belief that Russia and China will be satisfied to stay in their "lanes."

Russia... probably, not by choice but...

China? No... but they aren't going to play the aggressive military game. They're smarter than that,,, Communism will probably triumph by using Capitalism as its method... who would've thought it?

The European Union has officially voted to suspend trade agreements with the United States, marking a historic and volatile retaliation against President Trump's threats of tariffs over the Greenland dispute. This decision effectively dismantles the transatlantic economic partnership that has anchored Western stability since World War II, erecting a "hard border" across the Atlantic in a desperate bid to protect European sovereignty from American expansionism.

However, analysts warn that this "Fortress Europe" strategy may be built on a crumbling foundation. With Germany's industrial base fleeing to Hungary and the UK hemorrhaging capital to the UAE and US, the EU is engaging in a trade war it is economically ill-equipped to sustain against the robust American consumer market. The move is further complicated by internal divisions, as key members like Italy have already signaled a refusal to militarily oppose the US, leaving Brussels politically isolated.

This suspension represents the final fracture of the "West." By prioritizing territorial integrity (Greenland) over economic access, Europe is signaling that it views the United States not as an ally, but as a predatory rival. This pivot leaves the continent dangerously exposed, sandwiched between a hostile American "techno-state" and an opportunistic Russian-Chinese bloc offering "unconditional" ties.

Friendly reminder, this is an Ukraine v Russia war thread.

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The Boomers are literally going to destroy democracy.


The boomers aren’t going to destroy anything.
At least I’m not, lol.

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You're right and I'm sorry. It's not fair to lump everyone in like this. I apologize to you.

But yeah, I stand by my statement that he is trying to expand the borders and that he's a threat who's sold out to Putin.

Carry on.

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As an infantryman and as a military analyst this is what scares me the most.

Yes, the drone airwar is bad, but when they start putting out machines that do the infantry's job (and probably more lethal) it's going to change literally everything, and not in a good way. The possible amount of power this gives douchebag tech-bros is genuinely horrifying.


It places a premium on manufacturing capabilities much of which we exported over the last 30+ years.

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The manufacturing aspect is the least of our concerns. The Ukrainians are producing as many, if not more, drones than the Russians and are doing so under the worst of circumstances.

It's the idea that someone could horde drones by the millions and just attack for whatever reason they wish. Elon, or Gates, or some other narcissistic maniac tech bro could attack using robots isn't science fiction anymore, it's a reality and one that should scare everyone.

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But... "Russia?" Why is Russia such a focus in everything? I mean, they can't take Ukraine, can they? They pose no threat to the Baltic States or Europe, do they?

Why is he even counting on them being around in a few years?

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Because Russia is just a false flag for taking stuff.

Now, I've got to agree with DoubleD and say that this is a Russia-Ukraine thread.

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Taken... though NATO being dissolved right in front of our eyes doesn't factor into anything?

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I agree, but we need to draw a line somewhere. I want so badly to discuss the Venezuela situation here, but I don't even though this further weakens the Russian position.

There were actual legal reasons allowing the seized ships to be seized under UNCLOS. Nations registered under denied registration, or they changed flags at sea, meaning under two flags thus legally stateless. I don't think Qatar is happy with Trump right now at all by his support of the protestors in Iran. Now shadow fleet tankers are registering as Russian. This makes them a very legal target for Ukraine. The seizures have opened the door for Baltic nations to blockade ships going to or from Russia via that route.

You must be getting info from clueless pundits regarding Venezuela and oil. Zeihan being at the top of that list. Every drop should be going any of 10 Gulf Coast refineries which love it, even without upgrading.

This should come as no surprise with Tulsi Gabbard as Director of Intelligence.

Great. Wonderful.

We are no longer the leaders of the free world. Our government is the leader of the leftover losers like Russia, China, and North Korea.