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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 9:21 pm to Leopold
Posted on 12/28/25 at 9:21 pm to Leopold
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We didn't manipulate anything.
We manipulated the values of goods, essentially making some of them worth nothing..like I said, it's an accounting thing. Depreciation + cost of maintaining the asset + other factors.
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Ya sure did, didn't you! Called it 'smart,' too, didn't
In some cases it can be. I think it's both true that needing to use donkeys is a bad sign, and a donkey is a lot cheaper than a vehicle if you can do the same job with either. Yet another display of your total lack of nuance or really understanding of anything beyond the binary of it either being "bad" or "good".
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No, you did when I have to explain to you why the Russians only took 1% of a country and still think that taking a town of about 26k is somehow tactically significant. But again, I made a statemen
I don't know which discussion you're referring to here, but places can be tactically significant without having a large pre-war population based on a lot of varying factors. Again, lack of any nuance or critical thinking skills.
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But I provided the sources, however inconvenient you found them, you just don't like them or agree with them.
I am not a fan of sources with ties to the Ukranian government. I think it's a given that Russian sources are almost entirely BS, but I feel like I have to point it out or some 50-IQ midwit will ask why I didn't also call them out. So yeah I will occasionally make fun of ISW since they get caught with their pants down occasionally, though they have some solid info.
If you're not questioning sources in a war when both sides have huge incentives to propagandize, you're a fool. I almost exclusively cite pro-Ukraine sources not affiliated directly with Ukraine because despite the bias you can trust them more than you can Russian sources.
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Posted on 12/28/25 at 9:29 pm to doubleb
I think this map lays bare Russia's incompetence in this war
Most of the land controlled by Russia today, was captured within the opening weeks of the war.
Russia has only gone backwards, as evidenced by the blue shaded area that used to be controlled by Russia but is now controlled by Ukraine. Granted that rollback was in the 1st year of the war, and Ukraine's anticipated spring offensive fizzled out without any real impact other than the loss of a bunch of Western equipment.
This war has been a stalemate for almost three years. Neither side can field the combat power to impact the front in any meaningful way.
Today's map
December 2022
There hasn't been a whole lot of movement in those lines in three years.
This is where the lines were on April 30th 2022, two months after the start of the war. This validates my point that most of what Russia controls today, they controlled from early in the war. They have taken very little in the last 3 years.
Most of the land controlled by Russia today, was captured within the opening weeks of the war.
Russia has only gone backwards, as evidenced by the blue shaded area that used to be controlled by Russia but is now controlled by Ukraine. Granted that rollback was in the 1st year of the war, and Ukraine's anticipated spring offensive fizzled out without any real impact other than the loss of a bunch of Western equipment.
This war has been a stalemate for almost three years. Neither side can field the combat power to impact the front in any meaningful way.
Today's map
December 2022
There hasn't been a whole lot of movement in those lines in three years.
This is where the lines were on April 30th 2022, two months after the start of the war. This validates my point that most of what Russia controls today, they controlled from early in the war. They have taken very little in the last 3 years.
This post was edited on 12/28/25 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 12/28/25 at 9:29 pm to GOP_Tiger
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because support for Ukraine remains extremely strong with voters, even in GOP primaries. Republican members of Congress and candidates will spout more and more pro-Ukraine rhetoric the closer that we get to November. Especially if GOP prospects appear poor, President Trump will feel increasing pressure to act decisively in support of Ukraine
It's not a needle mover in an election. Democrats will talk about it some, but Republicans in most districts will steer clear because it's much more divisive. People want to hear about immigration, prices, housing prices, hell probably even wtf is going on with Venezuela right now vs Ukraine.
There was some polling released in December that said overall bipartisan support for Ukraine is just at 62%. So Dems are probably sitting in the 70's and Republicans in the 50's.
Support for sending weapons was actually 2 points higher than support overall. It showed about 75% of Americans don't trust Russia to honor a peace agreement and see them as an adversary, but even before 2014 most Americans saw them as an adversary per a 2013 Gallup poll so that is kind of a baked-in mindset.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 9:53 pm to Leopold
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No, you did when I have to explain to you why the Russians only took 1% of a country and still think that taking a town of about 26k is somehow tactically significant.
Just to note, Putin believes he can bleed Ukraine until their moral cracks, like the French almost had at Verdun.
Both the Russian "victories", and Ukrainian claims about "stopping" the Russians are their propaganda.
Its a blood and moral war, not an inch of ground war.
I do hope Ukraine holds out, but no one should believe that these attacks are meant to succeed tactically any more than Verdun was.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 10:21 pm to Narax
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Both the Russian "victories", and Ukrainian claims about "stopping" the Russians are their propaganda.
Its a blood and moral war, not an inch of ground war.
Russia is bleeding Ukraine of men and Ukraine is bleeding Russia's economy.
Frontline gains (or lack thereof) and the pace of those gains can give us hints as to which side is more successful, but unless someone cries Uncle there will be a moment where one side or the other is told what the conditions are instead of negotiating them.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 11:52 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Republican members of Congress and candidates will spout more and more pro-Ukraine rhetoric the closer that we get to November. Especially if GOP prospects appear poor, President Trump will feel increasing pressure to act decisively in support of Ukraine.
Yes, as we approach the mid-terms, more pro-Ukrainian rhetoric will appear from GOP candidates but that won't get Ukraine what it needs to end this war. Only Trump can do that and he is so compromised with the Epstein file that we can believe he won't do anything to upset Putin.
In order for this war to end and real peace to be established in Ukraine, we will have to wait on one of two things to happen - either a new US President in 2028 or for some latter-day Daniel Ellsberg to step up bigly and drop an unredacted copy of the Epstein files. Then Putin will no longer be in control of the White House and this war can end.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 11:56 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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100% Played. Like. A. Fiddle.
And he wants to be in control of the peace process... The whole world now sees Trump as a complete and total Russian asset. Who says Epstein is dead?
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Trump: “If no breakthrough is made, they keep fighting and they keep dying. Zelensky doesn’t want that, and neither does Putin. But that’s what happens.” On his call with Putin, Trump said they discussed rebuilding Ukraine: “He wants Ukraine to succeed. He was very generous, especially about energy exports at low prices. Still in the works.”
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Trump: “In a few weeks we’ll know. It could go well or poorly, and if it goes really poorly, it won’t happen at all, which would be a shame. One item could break it up. It’s all very detailed. I’ve settled 8 wars, some going on for decades. We’ll get it done. I saw an interesting Putin today, he told me strongly, ‘I want this done as well.’”
A complete and total Russian asset.
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