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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 6:37 pm to texag7
Posted on 12/14/25 at 6:37 pm to texag7
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They think defending Ukraine at any cost is just as important as securing our border and improving the economy.
Most of them have had politicians telling them for decades that Russia was going to end the world and must be stopped at any cost. The programming is hard coded.
Thankfully that was fictional. But they are very much a sub-regional issue, though imo not one to Europe more broadly.
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Posted on 12/14/25 at 7:01 pm to VolSquatch
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If we have already done a lot, it's not selling them out
If we force them to sign a bad peace deal it is. That’s what I am talking about.
Why help them as much as we did only to undermine all they have fought and died for?
Posted on 12/14/25 at 7:15 pm to doubleb
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Does Putin ever “negotiate”?
No he just lies a lot and makes absurd demands as he invades. In reality, he has nothing to gain since Russia is the world's biggest country, so why does he need more land?
Posted on 12/14/25 at 8:42 pm to doubleb
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If we force them to sign a bad peace deal it is. That’s what I am talking about.
We can't force them to do anything or a deal would have been signed already.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 10:01 pm to VolSquatch
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We can't force them to do anything or a deal would have been signed already.
So you believe we tried to force Ukraine into signing a bad deal, but we failed? That wasn’t very smart of us. Why would wd give them billions in aid and then get them in s bad deal?
Posted on 12/14/25 at 11:12 pm to doubleb
quote:No, as a psychopath he's not capable. He is able to observe what the societal norm is and mimic that, but on a personal level he only sees negotiating as another form of weakness to be manipulated. That's what we're seeing right now, have seen in his last 30 years of behavior and what we can go to the bank on in the future. As we've said before, once you see them clearly, psychopaths are easy to handle.
Does Putin ever “negotiate”?
Posted on 12/14/25 at 11:22 pm to Coeur du Tigre
The nonsense continues on schedule. One important thing to note is the only real change in this three-month dog and pony show - the location. Berlin is firmly in NATO, the EU and the EC and is politically a million miles from Dubai, Istanbul or even Budapest. The press corps there is not exactly a pack of attack dogs but are professional and not Trump lovers. They will report failure as failure, without the filtering available to the press in Dubai et al. Unless he can spin the failure as Kyiv's fault, relocating to Berlin is not a win for Putin.
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After it was hit and abandoned, the vessel's name, registry and ownership were changed to that of a Russian company. It's clearly been taken in possession under salvage laws. In these circumstances, stolen by the Russians.
The joys of doing business with Moscow, where zero-sum attitudes and theft are articles of manhood.
The joys of doing business with Moscow, where zero-sum attitudes and theft are articles of manhood.
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I think we "highly encouraged" them to sign a deal in recent months, absolutely.
Maybe current leadership thinks it's a good deal and that Ukraine wont get one as good in the future?
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Why would wd give them billions in aid and then get them in s bad deal?
Maybe current leadership thinks it's a good deal and that Ukraine wont get one as good in the future?
Posted on 12/15/25 at 7:13 am to cypher
75% of Ukrainians oppose "peace plan" that would include troop withdrawal from Donbas
Iryna Balachuk — 15 December, 09:48
Three-quarters of Ukrainians are opposed to a "peace plan" which, among other things, would include the withdrawal of troops from Donbas, limits on the size of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and a lack of specific security guarantees.
Source: a survey conducted by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology (KIIS) from 26 November to 13 December
Quote: "The Russian plan remains categorically unacceptable – 75% of Ukrainians consider it completely unacceptable (the same number was in September 2025). Only 17% of Ukrainians are ready for the Russian version of peace (the same number as before)."
Details: Meanwhile, 72% of Ukrainians (KIIS noted that mostly without enthusiasm) are ready to approve a plan proposed by Europe and Ukraine. Only 14% categorically reject it.
methodology, details of the plans presented to the respondents...
Ukrainska Pravda
Iryna Balachuk — 15 December, 09:48
Three-quarters of Ukrainians are opposed to a "peace plan" which, among other things, would include the withdrawal of troops from Donbas, limits on the size of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and a lack of specific security guarantees.
Source: a survey conducted by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology (KIIS) from 26 November to 13 December
Quote: "The Russian plan remains categorically unacceptable – 75% of Ukrainians consider it completely unacceptable (the same number was in September 2025). Only 17% of Ukrainians are ready for the Russian version of peace (the same number as before)."
Details: Meanwhile, 72% of Ukrainians (KIIS noted that mostly without enthusiasm) are ready to approve a plan proposed by Europe and Ukraine. Only 14% categorically reject it.
methodology, details of the plans presented to the respondents...
Ukrainska Pravda
Posted on 12/15/25 at 7:21 am to VolSquatch
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Maybe current leadership thinks it's a good deal and that Ukraine wont get one as good in the future?
And maybe …..
Do you believe we should have provided 150 billion dollars in aid only to have Ukraine relinquish territory that they currently possess, have them change to a Russian controlled government and not get anything to secure their new borders?
Trump would be a fool to agree to any of that.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 7:38 am to doubleb
quote:It's clear that Trump doesn't have that option. He does what he's told.
Trump would be a fool to agree to any of that.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 7:43 am to doubleb
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Do you believe we should have provided 150 billion dollars in aid
Definitely no to this part by itself
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Do you believe we should have provided 150 billion dollars in aid only to have Ukraine relinquish territory that they currently possess, have them change to a Russian controlled government and not get anything to secure their new borders?
If we have intelligence saying things are going to get worse for Ukraine maybe, but most likely not in my opinion.
So you know what the sunk cost fallacy is? It's at least partly why we stayed in Afghanistan for so long.
Though I do think you're presenting some of the demands in a bit of sensationalist way, I would say asking for land you don't already control and realistically won't be able to obtain through force in the near future is pretty ridiculous.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 7:46 am to cypher
Interesting that there was a shift toward "easily agree to this option" between September and December.
I think knowing exactly how the survey was conducted, how the questions were presented, and who was asked would be pretty important in this case. "Hard to say" and "completely unacceptable" both not changing at all is kind of a red flag in a data science sense.
I think knowing exactly how the survey was conducted, how the questions were presented, and who was asked would be pretty important in this case. "Hard to say" and "completely unacceptable" both not changing at all is kind of a red flag in a data science sense.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 8:44 am to cypher
Posted on 12/15/25 at 9:18 am to cypher
Holy shite...
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First Combat Use of Underwater Kamikaze Drones: Russian Kilo class Submarine Disabled in Novorossiysk
The Security Service of Ukraine (SSU) has carried out a special operation in the port of Novorossiysk, marking the first-ever combat use of underwater kamikaze drones.
During the operation, SBU-operated Sub Sea Baby underwater drones struck a Russian Navy Project 636.3 submarine (Varshavyanka class; NATO designation: Kilo). The explosion caused critical damage, effectively disabling the vessel.
The submarine was equipped with four Kalibr cruise missile launchers used by Russia for strikes against Ukrainian territory.
The operation was conducted jointly by the SBU’s 13th Main Directorate of Military Counterintelligence and the Ukrainian Navy. A Varshavyanka-class submarine is estimated to cost around USD 400 million. Due to international sanctions, building a comparable submarine today could cost up to USD 500 million.
This class is also known as the “Black Hole” because of its low acoustic signature and reduced sonar visibility.
The submarine had been stationed in Novorossiysk after earlier Sea Baby surface-drone operations forced Russian naval assets to leave Sevastopol Bay in temporarily occupied Crimea.
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 9:31 am to Coeur du Tigre
Port on the Volga delta at the Caspian Sea.
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On the night of December 15, 2025, "deep strike" units of the Special Operations Forces, in cooperation with the Unmanned Systems Forces, hit the Astrakhan Gas Processing Plant, which belongs to "Gazprom" and is located in the Astrakhan region, near the Caspian Sea. The plant processes natural gas and gas condensate into gasoline, diesel fuel, and fuel oil, which are subsequently used for military purposes.
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 9:33 am to Coeur du Tigre
Posted on 12/15/25 at 10:19 am to Coeur du Tigre
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First Combat Use of Underwater Kamikaze Drones: Russian Kilo class Submarine Disabled in Novorossiysk
Ukes just dropped another card. Great video.
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Ukraine again makes military history.
For the first time ever, underwater kamikaze drones have been used in combat.
In a special operation carried out in the port of Novorossiysk, the Security Service of Ukraine disabled a Russian Navy Project 636.3 submarine (Varshavyanka class, NATO: Kilo). SBU-operated Sub Sea Baby underwater drones struck the vessel, causing critical damage and putting it out of action.
This submarine was equipped with four Kalibr cruise missile launchers—weapons Russia has repeatedly used to strike Ukrainian cities.
The operation was conducted jointly by the SBU’s 13th Main Directorate of Military Counterintelligence and the Ukrainian Navy.
A Varshavyanka-class submarine is valued at approximately $400 million. Under current sanctions, replacing it could cost Russia up to $500 million. Known as the “Black Hole” for its low acoustic signature, this class was designed to evade detection. It did not evade Ukraine.
The submarine had been redeployed to Novorossiysk after earlier Sea Baby surface-drone operations forced Russia’s Black Sea Fleet to abandon Sevastopol Bay in temporarily occupied Crimea.
Ukraine continues to redefine modern naval warfare.
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 10:59 am to Auburn1968
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Does Putin ever “negotiate”?
No.
The Russians have long had a reputation as absolutely vicious negotiators as they approach negotiations as another exercise in war in and of itself. No concessions are ever made and any concession that is made by the other side is not looked upon as making progress towards a common goal, such as 'peace,' but rather a weakness that is to be exploited.
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In reality, he has nothing to gain since Russia is the world's biggest country, so why does he need more land?
I can go through the whole historical "The only way Russia can protect her borders is to expand" thing but part of it is just greed and the current political situation he's gotten himself into.
Goddamnit this man is just evil.
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