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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 10/9/25 at 1:42 pm to
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 10/9/25 at 1:42 pm to
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Being that Ukraine is a proxy and Ukrainians can't take control of their own foreign policy Russia might have to seriously destroy them to the point of being not worth rebuilding.


If Russia stopped and went home right now Ukraine might already be at a point where they can't recover just from a birth rate sense. They need people who fled the country to come back something fierce, and the longer this goes the more likely those people start lives wherever they are at and never come back.

Just really sad to think about.

We have had numerous discussions about the demographic crisis Russia is having, and its birth rate is still much higher than Ukraine's. Though Russia's problem is that the rate in Moscow is likely lower than the national average and the rate elsewhere is much higher because Muslims and other groups who live outside Moscow usually have more kids.
This post was edited on 10/9/25 at 1:46 pm
Posted by singittomenafogimp
Member since Sep 2025
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Posted on 10/9/25 at 1:51 pm to
True, economically and demographically they're terminally wounded. I don't know too many sane people who would stake their future on Ukraine post war. Ukraine was always a sketchy place, both post USSR collapse and historically. Stability and prosperity is not something it was ever known with a short exception of post WW2 till roughly about USSR breakup. That was probably their best period, ironically.

If you put Germans or Dutch in Ukraine it would probably be one of the most if not the most prosperous nations in EU, they had enough natural reserves and coastline and decent-ish weather to make a very beautiful country. Instead it's a periodic war zone testing ground and organ harvesting hub.

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We have had numerous discussions about the demographic crisis Russia is having, and its birth rate is still much higher than Ukraine's. Though Russia's problem is that the rate in Moscow is likely lower than the national average and the rate elsewhere is much higher because Muslims and other groups who live outside Moscow usually have more kids.


Also true. Putin had to resort to his own version of "diversity" by importing Muslims from central Asia/border regions. I doubt it's adding to the quality or prosperity of the country just solely based of EU experience. He did avoid importing Africans and Middle Eastern muslims, which would completely not mesh with Russian culture.
This post was edited on 10/9/25 at 1:56 pm
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 10/9/25 at 2:00 pm to
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 10/9/25 at 2:35 pm to
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Putin had to resort to his own version of "diversity" by importing Muslims from central Asia/border regions.
Muslims occupied those regions of what is now Russia for over a thousand years before Putina was born.
Posted by singittomenafogimp
Member since Sep 2025
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Posted on 10/9/25 at 3:00 pm to
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It's not a talking, Mr. John Deere, it's factual history, which you obviously never studied.


By that logic you should go live in a desert where you belong instead of hopping countries looking for some host country to shite on.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 10/9/25 at 3:08 pm to
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 10/9/25 at 3:09 pm to
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By that logic you should go live in a desert where you belong instead of hopping countries looking for some host country to shite on.
It stings you to have your ignorance and lack of education pointed out.

And I agree with doubleb, your posts have devolved into gibberish.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 10/9/25 at 3:11 pm to
CitizenRetard told everyone Ukraine are great innovators. Meanwhile they are using old Soviet Engines for their "New Flamingo" missiles.

Not to mention getting shot down by a Pantsir AD. This is the Weapon that NAFO Trolls said will bring Russia to its knees


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This post was edited on 10/9/25 at 3:20 pm
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/9/25 at 3:25 pm to
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CitizenRetard told everyone Ukraine are great innovators. Meanwhile they are using old Soviet Engines for their "New Flamingo" missiles


Hey dummy, look where these engines were made

Ivchenko-Progress ZMKB (Ukrainian: ?????????? ????????????? ??????????????? ???? «???????» ??. ?.?.???????, Zaporizhzhia Machine-Building Design Bureau "Progress" State Enterprise named after Academician O.H.Ivchenko), formerly OKB-478 and Ivchenko Lotarev, is a state design bureau that creates drafts and plans for aircraft engines in Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine whose products are widely used in both civil and military aircraft, most notably by Antonov, Beriev, Ilyushin, Tupolev, Mil and Yakovlev. The design bureau works closely with Motor Sich, the turbine manufacturer located in Zaporizhzhia which produces those engines.

By the way this is old news. The Flamingo wiki entry describes its engine - back in September.

The Ivchenko AI-25 is a family of military and civilian twin-shaft medium bypass turbofan engines developed by Ivchenko OKB of the Soviet Union. It was the first bypass engine ever used on short haul aircraft in the USSR. The engine is still produced by Ukrainian based aircraft engine manufacturing company, Motor Sich.
Posted by singittomenafogimp
Member since Sep 2025
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Posted on 10/9/25 at 3:32 pm to
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CitizenRetard told everyone Ukraine are great innovators. Meanwhile they are using old Soviet Engines for their "New Flamingo" missiles.


CitizenR gets hella offended when someone points out how dumb and primitive Ukrainians are in all their tech.

Pretty much all of what Ukraine is doing I can build with Chinese made components myself. There's a reason most of their weapon tech revolves around an FPV drone and basic glide drones. Except I wouldn't need to depend on EU and US to supply me with ammo. You'd think Ukros can produce explosive, but they can't even do that, it's all needing spoonfeeding.

There's a reason that bearded goober Brovdi who had zero experience with weaponry/tech/drones etc is leading a drone "brigade". His biggest achievement prior to that was running scams in Ukraine for which he was being wanted in Ukraine, so when the war broke out, naturally, he went to grovel for donations for drones and posting cringy edits of himself narrating drone strikes. That's what Ukrainian tech and leadership revolves around.

They're not innovative or ingenious people. Very dumb, highly primitive.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 10/9/25 at 3:35 pm to
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They're not innovative or ingenious people. Very dumb, highly primitive.



Posted by singittomenafogimp
Member since Sep 2025
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Posted on 10/9/25 at 3:38 pm to
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Hey dummy, look where these engines were made


I'm happy you got an update to talk shite and be more interactive, but you're lying implying that Ukraine can still produce any motor. That Motor Sich plant has been blasted to tits several times now.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/9/25 at 3:40 pm to
Putin couldn't get skilled labor from form Warsaw Bloc nations so had to resort to lower skilled Allahu Akbar workers.

Edit: This is nothing new as to revive oilfields in Siberia in the 1990's which had been in severe decline for a decade, drilling crews were brought in mostly from Canada for workover rigs who were far more productive than Russian crews all using the same equipment with Baker Hughes providing the downhole tools.
This post was edited on 10/9/25 at 3:49 pm
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 10/9/25 at 3:42 pm to
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CitizenRetard told everyone Ukraine are great innovators. Meanwhile they are using old Soviet Engines for their "New Flamingo" missiles.



You must not have heard, they accounted for AT LEAST 40% of the scientific innovation in the USSR. Source for that: unknown
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 10/9/25 at 4:09 pm to
Russian birth rates are the lowest they have been in 200 years.

200 years!!!

Newsweek
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 10/9/25 at 4:26 pm to
Finally about to adjust the frontline north of Pokrovsk near Dobropillya where the Russians broke through in august.

The rotation of multiple Ukrainian battalions, including 12th Azov, slowed but was never able to reverse the breakthrough which has now almost completely reestablished itself.

Map updates will follow later today."


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Posted by singittomenafogimp
Member since Sep 2025
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Posted on 10/9/25 at 4:35 pm to
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Russian birth rates are the lowest they have been in 200 years.

200 years!!!

Newsweek


Damn, they tracked birth rate in Czarist Russia in 1825.

Fool.

Btw, any developed country has the lowest birth rate in a century now.
This post was edited on 10/9/25 at 4:36 pm
Posted by singittomenafogimp
Member since Sep 2025
319 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 4:39 pm to
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Islam has been in areas like Dagestan for about a thousand years, give or take


LSJWl was talking about areas bordering the "stans", no so much the caucuses.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5781 posts
Posted on 10/9/25 at 4:56 pm to
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That Motor Sich plant has been blasted to tits several times now.


Fire Point has also established its own plant to produce engines for the missiles, whether this is the Ivchenko AI-25 under licence or not is unclear.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 10/9/25 at 5:22 pm to
Doubleb posted One Day Before The below Headline

"Three years too late to make a difference."






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bragging about a few tiny drones hitting oil refineries now the nation of Ukraine will be freezing in the winter.


Another few nights of gerans and it will be 90-95% gas production gone.





This post was edited on 10/9/25 at 5:31 pm
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