re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

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How many of the 200 were actually executed?

I'll save you the trouble. None.

They appealed and were set free.

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You have a major rhetorical problem with your conclusion that nobody has been wrongfully executed in the last 45 years (which I think you started in the 80's).

Every person exonerated had exceptional scrutiny applied to their case, that happens in very few of the cases and they are essentially low hanging fruit. Thise cases required exceptional scrutiny and finding extrodanary evidence. That process has proven a multi-percent failure rate in DP convictions. The idea that every single one of those were caught and got the right people and resourses allocated to that case and they were able to develop the extraordinary evidence to overturn a DP conviction is delusional.

You are asking for something that nobody can know but the known failure rate added to the fact that the majority of DP convictions never have the level of scrutiny that many of the ones overturned did would lead the the logical conclusion that every person put to death since the 80s was guilty of the crime they were convicted for was not guilty.

I am not a fan of the death penalty for four reasons:

1. I do not think it is the ultimate punishment. One way to support this is how many people calling suicide the easy way out, or calling those that commit suicide cowards.

2. It can never be reversed

3. I fall in line with Ben Franklin's opinion of Blackstone's ratio

4. The vast majority of death penalty cases don't have what I would consider a good defence and normally the appeals process is very pro-forma and done at an even lower level.

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It's kind of a double edged sword because the constitution forbidding elections under martial law opens up the potential for corruption, but holding an election under martial law obvious has it's own corruption potential too

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Everything is a double edge sword.

Yes, martial law could be declared for bogus reasons and effectively, the elected leaders at the time become permanent if they left martial law in place. While via a different mechanism this is what Xi did in China, he made himself a lifetime ruler.

Here is the rub, every time I ask someone to make the argument given the actual situation vs some amorphous it is a potentially bad approach I get nothing back.

Make the argument that Ukraine given the facts of the war and occupation should not be under martial law. If you can't then don't try to make gotcha moments out of a country following their constitution.

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It would take what...a 10:1 kill ratio to even this out among active/reserves?

I doubt that's happening.

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Not offered for the proof of the matter, just an interesting anecdotal point

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You are asking for something that nobody can know

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the known failure rate

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The known failure rate of *convictions*, not executions

resurrecting the poison pill from 2022....

Lavrov pours cold water on Ukraine peace process

August 20, 2025, 02:20 PM

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s recent remarks have made it clear that Moscow is determined to subjugate all of Ukraine and derail any Western arrangements for effective post-war security guarantees for Kyiv, Politico reported on Aug. 20.

Lavrov reiterated that Russia wants Ukraine to adopt neutrality, reduce its military forces, and abandon its NATO aspirations.

“Moscow will not agree to collective security guarantees reached without Russia’s participation,” Lavrov said at a news conference following talks with Jordanian Foreign Minister Ayman Safadi.

“Russia will agree only if security guarantees for Ukraine are provided on equal terms with countries such as China, the United States, the United Kingdom, and France.”

Any role for Beijing or Moscow in shaping these guarantees complicates efforts by Western allies, the report noted. Even as they work on a defense plan for Ukraine to accompany a cease-fire or peace accord, Russia’s demands pose significant hurdles.

Lavrov also described a planned meeting between Russian dictator Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy as “a distant prospect,” suggesting that the Kremlin is not ready to advance talks to end the war.

He revisited an idea first proposed during peace negotiations in Istanbul in April 2022: creating an international coalition of security guarantors for Ukraine. That plan stalled in the West after Moscow insisted that all participating countries—including Russia—must approve it unanimously before any guarantees could take effect.

“I am confident that in the West—primarily in the United States—they fully understand that discussing security without the Russian Federation is a utopia, a road to nowhere,” Lavrov said.

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The known failure rate of *convictions*, not executions

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I honestly can't figure out if you are stupid or think everyone else is stupid.


We know we have a significant rate of incorrect convictions.

We know many of these convictions did not see near the level of competent scrutiny and resourses applied to them that found the truth.

Thinking that every incorrect conviction and subsequent execution was found and proved is beyond delusional.

You should know you are asking for proof that does not exist whether or not anyone has been incorrectly been executed or not. It is a poor attempt at a rhetorical trap.

Just consider this in your mind: if an omniscient and omnipowerful entity offered you a bet where you got all your desires if you were right and the bet was whether or not a single not guilty person has been put to death in the US in tha last 45 years which side would you bet? I am convinced that taking the bet someone has been executed wrongfully is the biggest lock of the decade.

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Senator McCain was being polite.

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Kind of sad watching your brain turn to mush in real time.

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ever had even swat on the butt as a kid one single time or even told NO

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I'm upping the age estimate to 85

Says the multi-time proven liar

What a fricking joke