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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 8/10/25 at 5:39 pm to
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5751 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 5:39 pm to
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Did JB put you on retainer.


I laughed. Really.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 5:42 pm to
You shouldn't. You are just as big of a propagandist as Cope.

You are in the same category as Cope and JB.

Just a Goebbels for different sides.
This post was edited on 8/10/25 at 5:53 pm
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8444 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 5:58 pm to
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The problem with your thesis is that the proponents of Russia’s economic decline are posting articles backing up their claims. They aren’t opinions.


Those articles don't have anything about whether the refineries have just been hit or if they are operationally damaged, and if they have, how badly?

There are a ton of factors hitting the Russian economy outside of these drone strikes.

Yet they are being presented as turning the tide for Ukraine. Maybe they are, that would be nice! But show your work.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8444 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 5:59 pm to
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I laughed. Really.


Did you add the "really" because most of the people on this site think you're a bot that would be incapable of laughter?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42775 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 6:00 pm to
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Truth hurts doesn't it?


I’ve criticized Coer before. You don’t know what you are talking about.

I don’t believe you have an original thought.

Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8444 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 6:06 pm to
Leopold claimed Russia was screwed because of these strikes. Cope has been trying to sell that narrative for the past few weeks.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 6:18 pm to
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I’ve criticized Coer before.


Who is Coer old man?

It's Cope.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30712 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 6:34 pm to
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And all you hypocrites do is defend Cope for doing the same exact thing. Because he pushes an agenda that you agree with. Doesn't matter if his posts are untrue or propaganda.


There is a kernel of truth to this, but you are also downplaying JB's work.

Close to the end he was posting 80-90 posts a day (many of them were deleted which may give insight into some material differences). He was averaging 7-9 posts per hour over 10-12 hours every single day 7 days a week.

He would scroll X find a post embed it on TD and include a paragraph or two of his own words. Do this 7 times in an hour and see how much time is left in said hour. Then do it all day, 7 days a week for weeks on end. He averaged over 5 posts and hour during his "work" hours for over a year.

JB may have had a mental health issue but he presented as someone that was getting remuneration for his work or amplification of his work or others. Most forum admins don't like this sort of behavior. He also didn't segregate his musings to ongoing threads.

You can argue CdT's and JB's post quality was/is similar but the volume is quite different. You are going to catch attention in a forum when you post like it is a 70 hour per week job. He often talked about his interactions with mods/admins and while he seemed to think it always went his way, it was clear he was becoming a PITA for the mods. The sheer volume of work the last couple of weeks was about as suspect as you can get on a forum.

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42775 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 6:36 pm to
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Who is Coer old man?

It's Cope.


Another well thought out post. I’m so happy I got to read that.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41441 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 6:41 pm to
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The same thing could have been said regarding the Russian JB's posts and he was banned.


He posted actual war videos and factual info.

Cope posts irrelevant garbage at 3am daily
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42775 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 6:42 pm to
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Those articles don't have anything about whether the refineries have just been hit or if they are operationally damaged, and if they have, how badly?


No, but they do indicate a struggling economy and we all know oil is king in Russia.

quote:

There are a ton of factors hitting the Russian economy outside of these drone strikes.


True

quote:

Yet they are being presented as turning the tide for Ukraine. Maybe they are, that would be nice! But show your work.


If Putin is willing to compromise now, the refinery bombing could be contributing to the cause. Like you I don’t think they are the primary reason, but that’s my guesss.

But I don’t think you can entirely dismiss their impact. I think these attacks and all the other attacks plus their struggles to win key Ukrainian strongholds are stressing out the Russian economy and war machine.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3968 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 6:55 pm to
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That has nothing to do with Ukraine’s inability to retake what Russia has already taken. Russia’s crappy ability to take land doesn’t mean Ukraine can take it back.


Well, considering the vulnerability of the lengthy Russian supply lines, can Russia keep the land they've taken? With all of the factors involved?
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3968 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 7:05 pm to
If North Korean tanks and troops invaded Ukrainian territory, this is no longer just a war between two neighboring countries... it's officially WWIII.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16156 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 7:07 pm to
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But I don’t think you can entirely dismiss their impact. I think these attacks and all the other attacks plus their struggles to win key Ukrainian strongholds are stressing out the Russian economy and war machine.


I don't dismiss their impact but they don't necessarily shutdown an entire refinery, especially for old refineries where expansions included adding a crude unit, and over decades this can mean more than 2 crude units.

BTW, caustic treating doesn't remove all sulfur compounds. It is NOT a complicated thing to do. It will no clean up kerosene nearly enough to make RP1 (rocket propellant) for missiles.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3968 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 7:19 pm to
I have had a margarita within the hour, but I could swear I saw (possibly posted here) this same video about this battle on this date but it claimed the invaders were Russians, not North Koreans...
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3968 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 7:38 pm to
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There is a kernel of truth to this, but you are also downplaying JB's work.



We also don't know that JB was banned. I would suspect he'd make an alter account with how "passionate" he was in his missions, here.

And what happened to Sir Winston?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16156 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 7:39 pm to
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I have had a margarita within the hour, but I could swear I saw (possibly posted here) this same video about this battle on this date but it claimed the invaders were Russians, not North Koreans...


Same here
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8444 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 8:06 pm to
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Close to the end he was posting 80-90 posts a day (many of them were deleted which may give insight into some material differences). He was averaging 7-9 posts per hour over 10-12 hours every single day 7 days a week.


Someone, I believe you, made a similar claim like this in the old thread, I did the math based on his entire number of posts and it was pretty far off. Dont think I posted about it then because I have agreed with a JB ban even before it happened and it doesn't matter all that much at the end of the day, but it's also not great to complain about someone being a propaganda mouthpiece using bad information lol

The math might be right though, idk. He posted a frick ton, but that number seems high to me. I also just scroll past any link from sources I consider questionable or bad regardless of who it is, so there's a decent chance I think his post frequency was lower than it really was because I saw a link to a shitty Twitter account and didn't even acknowledge who the poster was before scrolling.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8444 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 8:10 pm to
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He posted actual war videos and factual info.

Cope posts irrelevant garbage at 3am daily


Yes between bullshite Twitter accounts you could get a few nuggets which is more than you get from Cope. And he actually would discuss back and forth on topics unlike Domo Arigato Mr Roboto Cypher
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16156 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 8:28 pm to
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Yes between bullshite Twitter accounts you could get a few nuggets which is more than you get from Cope. And he actually would discuss back and forth on topics unlike Domo Arigato Mr Roboto Cypher


His discussions went like "You are a Globohomo"

Every last one of his links was an obvious Russiaot type Twatter account.

He was posting on numerous threads in OT and Political Talk
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