- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: LA officials OK new charter 4 dyslexic students in Jefferson Parish despite some concerns
Posted on 8/22/25 at 2:28 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 8/22/25 at 2:28 pm to 4cubbies
quote:
Charter schools are mostly grifts.
What costs $2,000 less per student each year and yet outperforms traditional public schools at a rate of 3 to 1?
Answer: Arizona charter schools.
That’s right, the Center for Research on Education Outcomes (CREDO) at Stanford University has just released its latest analysis of the impact of charter schools on student education across the nation, and the results are exceptional.
CREDO’s new analysis—which accounts for student demographics, income levels, prior academic history, etc., to provide an apples-to-apples comparison—finds that:
The typical charter school student in our national sample had reading and math gains that outpaced their peers in the [traditional public school] they would have otherwise attended….In math, charter school students, on average, advanced their learning by an additional six days in a year’s time, and in reading, added 16 days of learning.
Looking specifically at Arizona, CREDO’s state-by-state analysis finds that Arizona charter schools deliver higher academic growth to students than local district schools do 35% of the time, compared to just 12% who do worse. In other words, Arizona charter schools are nearly three times more likely to deliver superior student learning outcomes relative to their district school peers. (The remaining half of schools post “similar” gains under either system.)
LINK
2
Posted on 8/22/25 at 2:29 pm to David_DJS
Louisiana runs its charter schools like the rest of the state.
A combination of corruption and shite.
A combination of corruption and shite.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 2:31 pm to 4cubbies
quote:
The school board has the ability to reject a charter application.
This one did and got overruled, so are they accepting them because they know the state will overrule them anyway?
BTW, don't take this as a defense of this particular school. It doesn't sound like they should have been approved, but the vast majority of school districts would have zero charters if the decision were up to them and not lawmakers.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 2:32 pm to David_DJS
quote:
What costs $2,000 less per student each year and yet outperforms traditional public schools at a rate of 3 to 1?
Answer: Arizona charter schools.
She thinks the entire country = Louisiana
Posted on 8/22/25 at 2:32 pm to 4cubbies
quote:
The school board denied this charter school because they don't have a track record of providing an adequate education to students.
That's not at all what the article says, and you clearly have no idea what state assessments are measuring. Key Academy has received an F every year in student performance, which is an absurd metric by which to measure the school. The student population consists of severely dyslexic students who cannot handle being in a normal school setting and often fall grade levels below their peers in terms of comprehension. Student performance is measured by how the student tests relative to the general student population of the state - of course, their scores are going to be substantially lower; these are kids with severe learning disabilities. .
However, when measured for academic progress - how much the student has improved while at Key Academy - the school receives pretty high marks. The state has consistently found that Key Academy students improve substantially given their limitations.
Anecdotally, I know some families who sent their kids to Key Academy to BR and they swear it was a God-send.
This post was edited on 8/22/25 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 8/22/25 at 2:38 pm to the808bass
quote:
The probability that someone with an education degree is dumber than a surgeon is extremely high.
Dumber in what aspect? I wouldn't ask an elementary teacher OR a surgeon to fix my air conditioner so does that mean they're both dumb?
Teachers know more about teaching than a surgeon would.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 2:39 pm to the808bass
quote:
Children with dyslexia will, on average, perform at a lower rate than non-dyslexic children. Love the anecdotal story, though.
You're going on record saying kids with dyselxia are not able to compete with kids without dyslexia?
Posted on 8/22/25 at 2:40 pm to PsychTiger
quote:
Gotta be careful the dyslexic students in LA don't go to AL and vice-versa.
Since it’s a charter school, are they allowed to pray to Dog?
Posted on 8/22/25 at 2:42 pm to Flats
quote:
This one did and got overruled, so are they accepting them because they know the state will overrule them anyway?
The state also has the ability to reject a charter application. I suspect this application was unanimously approved because the wife of a sitting US senator was behind it.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 2:42 pm to 4cubbies
quote:There’s lots to unpack in your post, but also even more unknowns - often by design!
If the charter movement is often promoted as a way to regain local control of a school - what are your thoughts on this charter network circumventing the local school board's decision to get approval?
Take the quote above. The main purpose of charter schools is Not to be used as a way for locals to gain control from the state. That’s an outside corrupting influence in using rhetoric charters as a lever to wrestle over control.
No, the purpose of charters is to return power and choice to the parents and students.
Because of politics and subversive power struggles, no one can tell if a state grade on a school is worth the paper it’s written on. Teachers unions and many local school districts are vehemently opposed to charter schools. It steals their power.
Yes, I know there needs to be oversight of charter schools. It’s a fundamental component of the system! There are indeed some really bad charter schools that need to removed qnd/or prevented from getting a charter.
The problem is that the grading system for schools is (intentionally) not designed to test how well schools perform at making progress with academically and/or behaviorally poor performing students, or students with various disabilities or low IQ. Those are the very students who make up a large portion of the charter school’s enrollment!
If they are making better progress with struggling students, opponents of charters and their lobbyists are the last ones who want that information known.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 2:45 pm to Flats
quote:
She thinks the entire country = Louisiana
There are extensive documented cases of charter school fraud across the country.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 2:47 pm to 4cubbies
quote:
There are extensive documented cases of charter school fraud across the country.
And there are extensive documented cases of public schools proving incapable of teaching kids.
Fact is on average (let us know if you need help with "average") - charter schools are more effective and efficient at teaching kids.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 3:00 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:
Take the quote above. The main purpose of charter schools is Not to be used as a way for locals to gain control from the state. That’s an outside corrupting influence in using rhetoric charters as a lever to wrestle over control.
Valid point. If parents never asked for this charter school, though... idk. Why are they so determined to open this school if their other schools are not successful? It seems like their resources and attention should be focused on improving their existing failing schools rather than expanding. It makes me question the motivation.
quote:
If they are making better progress with struggling students, opponents of charters and their lobbyists are the last ones who want that information known.
There was a charter school in New Orleans years ago that had a very large population of students with IEPs (special education). Their charter was ultimately revoked due to low standardized test scores. The community rallied behind the school. Parents begged the school board not to close it but it was still closed. That seems very counter-intuitive to the charter movement.
The particular situation in the OP seems like preferential treatment because it's Bill Cassidy's wife charter network.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 3:00 pm to David_DJS
quote:
(let us know if you need help with "average")
I need help with the evidence that informs your statement.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 3:02 pm to 4cubbies
quote:
I need help with the evidence that informs your statement.
Did you read the link? It's not all the evidence, but it's a pretty good piece.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 3:04 pm to 4cubbies
LysDexia can be very difficult.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 3:10 pm to 4cubbies
quote:
I need help
quote:
I need help
quote:
I need help
quote:
I need help
quote:
I need help
quote:
I need help
quote:
I need help
quote:
I need help
Posted on 8/22/25 at 3:25 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
hat's not at all what the article says, and you clearly have no idea what state assessments are measuring.
Louisiana Key Academy- BR's SPS score for the last 2 years is an F.
Louisiana Key Academy- Caddo's SPS score for last year is an F.
Louisiana Key Academy- Northshore's SPS score for last 2 years is an F.
What do you think state assessments are measuring if not academic achievement?
quote:
However, when measured for academic progress - how much the student has improved while at Key Academy - the school receives pretty high marks.
I'm not familiar with how the growth scores are calculated. Is growth in test scores from a 10 to a 15 graded the same as growth from a score of 50 to 70?
quote:
Anecdotally, I know some families who sent their kids to Key Academy to BR and they swear it was a God-send.
That article said all kids get 90 minutes of small group instruction a day, which is pretty significant.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 3:34 pm to 4cubbies
quote:
There are extensive documented cases of charter school fraud across the country.
The public school superintendent who lived down the road from me at the time stole around a half a mill that they could prove.
She wasted hundreds of thousands more on her boyfriend’s salary as the principal of the special school that he was unqualified to run.
The St. Louis school superintendent was fired for handing out $49,999 consulting contracts to her friends. The threshold for board approval was $50k.
I don’t know what you think you’re saying by saying “there’s fraud in charter schools.”
The superintendent at another local school district opened bids ahead of bid opening to get his buddy the low number. His buddy did his backyard and a commercial construction project for undisclosed amount for him.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 3:34 pm to 4cubbies
quote:
4cubbies
Nothing can change the fact that government run school systems have destroyed generations of children.
You can point and yell at something else but that fact never changes.
Page 2 of 7
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News