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re: Kobach's claim of voter fraud in New Hampshire factually incorrect
Posted on 9/9/17 at 12:52 pm to ctalati32
Posted on 9/9/17 at 12:52 pm to ctalati32
While those votes may not be fraudulent, there is also no proof presented by you or Vox that they were legal. We really don't know. There is no reason to have confidence that the outcome of the election reflects the will of legal voters.
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Posted on 9/9/17 at 12:55 pm to ctalati32
If this is the case as you state it then YOU WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM finding out who exactly these 5000 people are and where they come from. If they are all students fine. You should have no problem with this being investigated.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 1:05 pm to ctalati32
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willfully incorrectly portrayed evidence
We have a winner!
Posted on 9/9/17 at 1:05 pm to ChEgrad
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there is also no proof presented by you or Vox that they were legal
They registered to vote legally. They voted legally.
That that isn't proof enough is a sign of your desperate need to find something wrong here.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 1:10 pm to ctalati32
Yes you can vote twice in the same election, and you can vote in 2 places, and you can vote in 2 states. I've seen it done several times and I know exactly who does it and how. I USED to be in politics, I know.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 1:14 pm to BamaAtl
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They registered to vote legally. They voted legally.
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That that isn't proof
It's not proof, it's your opinion. The only way to know for sure is to do an investigation. Which is what Kobach said. Over 5000 people registered to vote on election day and most of them have shown no signs 10 months later of being actual residents of New Hampshire.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 1:26 pm to JoeHackett
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It's not proof
That they were able to legally register to vote in New Hampshire, satisfy the states' requirements for such, then not run afoul of them while actually voting?
You're trying to make something up to fit your false narrative, but as usual it falls flat in the face of reality.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 1:27 pm to JoeHackett
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and most of them have shown no signs 10 months later of being actual residents of New Hampshire.
Most of them have shown no signs of getting a NH driver's license.
That in no way means they aren't residents of NH - just that they aren't trying to get a driver's license in NH. To try and say it means more is to promote a lie.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 1:31 pm to ChEgrad
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While those votes may not be fraudulent, there is also no proof presented by you or Vox that they were legal. We really don't know. There is no reason to have confidence that the outcome of the election reflects the will of legal voters.
That's an asinine argument. If you take your logic, there is no proof that every other vote in the country was made legally.
Kobach is the one who made the claim that there was voter fraud. He should prove it otherwise quit spreading his false innuendo and incorrect conclusions.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 1:33 pm to BamaAtl
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That they were able to legally register to vote in New Hampshire, satisfy the states' requirements for such, then not run afoul of them while actually voting?
Just because your opinion is that they legally registered doesn't make it true. That's the point, no? You won't argue that point at all. You've decided that their registration was legal, so it must be legal. The point Kobach made is that we shouldn't just assume they registered legally, we should look into it.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 1:34 pm to frogtown
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If this is the case as you state it then YOU WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM finding out who exactly these 5000 people are and where they come from. If they are all students fine. You should have no problem with this being investigated.
I don't have a problem with looking into it. If any of these people did vote in multiple states they should be arrested for voter fraud.
I mean they may not be all students but may be "domiciled" students just make up the majority of people in that class.
And if there is no evidence of voter fraud in this case then you should have no problem stating that Kobach was wrong
Posted on 9/9/17 at 1:40 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if a good portion of those people don't even vote at all. I don't think they actually care so much about that, they seem to be more attention seekers than anything else, at least the ones who are more rioting than actually protesting.
If people will go out of their way to attend all of these ridiculous politcal protest over the last couple of years I have no doubt it wouldn't be much of an inconvenience to game the system to continue to help forward their agenda.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 1:41 pm to JoeHackett
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That they were able to legally register to vote in New Hampshire, satisfy the states' requirements for such, then not run afoul of them while actually voting?
Just because your opinion is that they legally registered doesn't make it true. That's the point, no? You won't argue that point at all. You've decided that their registration was legal, so it must be legal. The point Kobach made is that we shouldn't just assume they registered legally, we should look into it.
From the OP:
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As New Hampshire Public Radio reported, the data shows more than 5,000 people who voted in the 2016 election registered to vote on Election Day with out-of-state IDs and did not get in-state IDs or register a vehicle in the state in the months after. According to Kobach, this is proof of voter fraud because, he claims, under New Hampshire law “a new resident has 60 days to obtain a New Hampshire driver’s license.” Since these people didn’t obtain in-state IDs, the claim goes, they weren’t residents; they were people showing up from outside the state on Election Day to vote illegally.
Kobach said because they didn't get state IDs or register a vehicle that is proof of voter fraud. This is a flat out false claim.
The state of NH actually decided their registration was legal.
Why is he singling out NH? Because Hillary won narrowly.
This screams of partisan politics. He's picking on a state Trump lost and stating things that are plainly not true to rile up his base into thinking there is proof of NH voter fraud
His actual argument should have been something like: "Hey there's this weird law which could be exploited by unscrupulous people to vote in multple states, we should look into it." and not "People who didn't register their car or have an in-state ID who voted is proof of voter fraud" (even though there is a legal avenue to legally vote and not hit those requirements)
Posted on 9/9/17 at 1:44 pm to FutureRATeammember
His entire adult life he has been advocate for strong voter ID laws and a Muslim registry.
He has been looking for any voter fraud for the Trump admin the last 8 months and NH is the best he can find. Even though the NH law sucks it is not illegal.
Voter fraud muh
Trump Russian collusion muh
If they are truly interested in finding voter fraud hire a investigator that is not a polical hack.
He has been looking for any voter fraud for the Trump admin the last 8 months and NH is the best he can find. Even though the NH law sucks it is not illegal.
Voter fraud muh
Trump Russian collusion muh
If they are truly interested in finding voter fraud hire a investigator that is not a polical hack.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 1:52 pm to ctalati32
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According to Kobach, this is proof of voter fraud because, he claims, under New Hampshire law “a new resident has 60 days to obtain a New Hampshire driver’s license.”
That's a voxplanation. He never claims that because they didn't obtain a driver's license in 60 days is proof of anything. He actually used the 60 period to point out that registering same day with an out of state license isn't proof of fraud.
His actual quote
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there were 6,540 same-day registrants who registered to vote in New Hampshire using an out-of-state driver’s license to prove their identity. In and of itself, that doesn’t prove that any fraud occurred – theoretically, each of those individuals could have been someone who recently moved to the State and had not yet had time to get a New Hampshire driver’s license. According to New Hampshire law, a new resident has 60 days to obtain a New Hampshire driver’s license.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 2:20 pm to Colonel Flagg
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So I would not say the rule to obtain those things directly means fraud; however, not doing those things while claiming primary residence in the state seems to show an intent to defraud the election system.
They voted legally according to the laws of the state where they voted. And you say that, because they didn't after the fact register a vehicle (that they might have not even owned - students rarely drive vehicles registered in their own names) or get a New Hampshire drivers license) SHOWS an intent to defraud the election system. Sounds like your mind is already made up that there massive voter fraud no matter what.
By the way, in his original Breitbart article, Kobash said they are actually investigating 196 cases of voter fraud out of the votes cast in New Hampshire. So there was no reason for Kobash to give out the 5,400 vote number, other than to deliberately mislead people about the extent of the voter fraud.
Kobash did just what he was trying to do. He convinced people like you that there was massive voter fraud in New Hampshire, that cost Trump the vote, without real evidence.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 2:36 pm to JoeHackett
quote:I had gotten a Tennessee ID months before I moved back to Ohio. When I changed my address to forward mail, I was asked to register at my new address. When I got a new car, they officially registered me at the BMV. Since I didn't gave my birth certificate on me at the time, I couldn't change my license and I hate the BMV so I've yet to change my license.
According to New Hampshire law, a new resident has 60 days to obtain a New Hampshire driver’s license.
In other words, while I'm probably supposed to change my license, that's an entirely different issue than voter fraud if I were to vote.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 3:53 pm to frogtown
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If this is the case as you state it then YOU WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM finding out who exactly these 5000 people are and where they come from. If they are all students fine. You should have no problem with this being investigated.
New Hanmpshire publice radio did look into it, and they concluded the vast majority of people who voted were most likely out of state college students. LINK
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Earlier this year, using data provided at the time by the Secretary of State’s office, NHPR found that out-of-state IDs were mostly used in areas surrounding college campuses. New Hampshire law allows out-of-state college students to vote in-state, as long as they meet all other eligibility requirements.
the article also mentions:
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The state makes clear that out-of-state students attending college in New Hampshire are allowed to vote here, as long as they aren’t also voting in another state
This post was edited on 9/9/17 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 9/9/17 at 4:07 pm to Tyrusrex
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New Hanmpshire publice radio did look into it, and they concluded the vast majority of people who voted were most likely out of state college students.
I don't trust New Hampshire Public Radio. Since when are they an investigative body?? And all public radio is left wing. They won't be objective.
You guys have no problem investigating Trump for collusion when there is none. Let this run its course then tell Kris Kobach he was wrong. If there was no wrong doing you have nothing to worry about.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 4:10 pm to frogtown
There is enough here to warrant an investigation. If everything is on the up and up, there should be no objection to this.If a howl goes up, cheating likely occurred'
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