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Kobach's claim of voter fraud in New Hampshire factually incorrect
Posted on 9/9/17 at 9:28 am
Posted on 9/9/17 at 9:28 am
So Trump's election integrity chair was either wrong or willfully incorrectly portrayed evidence to appear as voter fraud on a massive scale happened in NH.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/8/16278056/new-hampshire-voter-fraud-kobach
The Claim
The Truth
This was upheld by Guare v. New Hampshire
https://law.justia.com/cases/new-hampshire/supreme-court/2015/2014-055.html
Either Kobach was lying or he's flat out terrible at his job.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/8/16278056/new-hampshire-voter-fraud-kobach
The Claim
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As New Hampshire Public Radio reported, the data shows more than 5,000 people who voted in the 2016 election registered to vote on Election Day with out-of-state IDs and did not get in-state IDs or register a vehicle in the state in the months after. According to Kobach, this is proof of voter fraud because, he claims, under New Hampshire law “a new resident has 60 days to obtain a New Hampshire driver’s license.” Since these people didn’t obtain in-state IDs, the claim goes, they weren’t residents; they were people showing up from outside the state on Election Day to vote illegally.
The Truth
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But Kobach is misinterpreting New Hampshire law. The state doesn’t necessarily require that someone become an official resident to register to vote. And, in fact, students — who make up majority of these voters with out-of-state IDs — are placed in a different category (“domiciled”) since they don’t plan to stay in the state long-term but do spend most of their time in New Hampshire while they’re in school. This category lets them vote without ever obtaining an in-state ID.
This was upheld by Guare v. New Hampshire
https://law.justia.com/cases/new-hampshire/supreme-court/2015/2014-055.html
Either Kobach was lying or he's flat out terrible at his job.
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Posted on 9/9/17 at 9:30 am to ctalati32
Where did kobach claim that people had ti be in state residents to vote?
Posted on 9/9/17 at 9:32 am to ctalati32
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And, in fact, students — who make up majority of these voters with out-of-state IDs — are placed in a different category (“domiciled”) since they don’t plan to stay in the state long-term but do spend most of their time in New Hampshire while they’re in school. This category lets them vote without ever obtaining an in-state ID.
So if the kids vote in NH for a national race then that disqualifies them from voting in their home state? Right?
Just how is that enforced?
Posted on 9/9/17 at 9:42 am to FutureRATeammember
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Where did kobach claim that people had ti be in state residents to vote?
He claimed that those who voted in the election who didn't get in-state IDs or register a vehicle are claim of voter fraud. Which is incorrect.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 9:44 am to Homesick Tiger
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And, in fact, students — who make up majority of these voters with out-of-state IDs — are placed in a different category (“domiciled”) since they don’t plan to stay in the state long-term but do spend most of their time in New Hampshire while they’re in school. This category lets them vote without ever obtaining an in-state ID.
So if the kids vote in NH for a national race then that disqualifies them from voting in their home state? Right?
Just how is that enforced?
Oh, i think it's a absolutely asinine law and unless the states are talking to each other it's absurdly even impossible to enforce. But it's the law in NH.
It is not voter fraud.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 9:47 am to ctalati32
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It is not voter fraud.
That doesn't answer my question and yes, if they do vote twice in the same national election that is fraud.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 9:47 am to ctalati32
Every one of those names needs to be cross checked with their home state, we need to know how many double voted.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 9:49 am to ctalati32
vox, the young adult web site
Posted on 9/9/17 at 9:56 am to ctalati32
Still appears fraudulent to me.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 10:05 am to ctalati32
Vox
And you assholes sneer at breitbart
And you assholes sneer at breitbart
Posted on 9/9/17 at 10:06 am to ctalati32
So they can be domiciled in New Hampshire and still a resident of another state? How does that prevent them voting in both states?
Posted on 9/9/17 at 10:18 am to Homesick Tiger
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quote:
It is not voter fraud.
That doesn't answer my question and yes, if they do vote twice in the same national election that is fraud.
I didn't say voting in two states isn't voter fraud.
That's definitely voter fraud.
I said people who voted in NH who didn't get a state license or register a car isn't evidence of voter fraud. Work on your reading comprehension and don't attack me on what you thought I said
This post was edited on 9/9/17 at 10:18 am
Posted on 9/9/17 at 10:18 am to Jack Bauers HnK
Why would a state agree to such a stupid rule?
Posted on 9/9/17 at 10:19 am to wickowick
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Every one of those names needs to be cross checked with their home state, we need to know how many double voted.
They should be, and anyone who voted twice should be arrested for voter fraud.
I'm merely pointing out Kobach's claims are wrong and he has not produced any actual evidence of voter fraud.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 10:20 am to Jack Bauers HnK
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So they can be domiciled in New Hampshire and still a resident of another state? How does that prevent them voting in both states?
As I said before, it's a stupid law. The law should be changed, but as it stands that is the law.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 10:23 am to ctalati32
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Every one of those names needs to be cross checked with their home state, we need to know how many double voted. They should be, and anyone who voted twice should be arrested for voter fraud.
They cannot be caught until long after the fact. The reason same day registration is allowed is because it helps with voter fraud. That's why Dems initiated it. They rely on fraud. There is no way it can be cross checked on voting day when registration occurs the same day as voting.
There is no interest in cross checking long after the election is over. The cost benefit analysis isn't there. That's why John Doe isn't worried about going to jail for voting twice.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 10:25 am to ctalati32
So if you vote in New Hampshire while still claiming residence in your alternative home state is that breaking a law in your home state?
This post was edited on 9/9/17 at 10:25 am
Posted on 9/9/17 at 10:25 am to Homesick Tiger
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So if the kids vote in NH for a national race then that disqualifies them from voting in their home state? Right?
I missed this earlier.
I honestly don't know enough about the distinction between national and local election laws to know for sure. I don't know if you could vote in a national election in one state and a local in another as long as you don't vote for the same thing in both states and you're legally allowed to vote in each state based on their laws.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 10:26 am to Colonel Flagg
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So if you vote in New Hampshire while still claiming residence in your alternative home state is that breaking a law in your home state?
I have no idea, depends on the state and their own voter eligibility laws. If you can show me an instance where it is, then i'll agree with you.
But as it stands with the information we have, Kobach made a factually incorrect claim
Posted on 9/9/17 at 10:30 am to ctalati32
No he did not. That's what you mistakenly want to believe.
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