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re: Knoxville Symphony Sued for DEI Discrimination

Posted on 1/5/26 at 7:06 pm to
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
7773 posts
Posted on 1/5/26 at 7:06 pm to
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Rachel Ford, the Knoxville Symphony CEO

At least he picked a good picture of her, cause looking her up...woof
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55728 posts
Posted on 1/5/26 at 7:11 pm to
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Primary are voice, piano, and organ. I also play drums, bass, and the accordion. I have played mostly in the state of GA & probably the most famous person I've performed with was Andrea Bocelli. I played jazz piano for years at Sea Island and can tell you they aren't paying $250 an hour.

I dont think I'm some hot shite just a regular guy living a comfortable middle class lifestyle from performing music. I feel extremely fortunate because most people in this position have to teach lessons or work in the school system.



Bocelli? That's a generational talent.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
27219 posts
Posted on 1/5/26 at 7:25 pm to
Shoot me your email and I'll share with you that way.
Posted by Bigdawgb
Member since Oct 2023
4148 posts
Posted on 1/5/26 at 9:04 pm to
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How many hours do they publicly perform in a year?


It doesn't matter honestly, the mere idea of paying someone a per hour rate for practicing is insane. Yet alone lawyer rates like $250/hr

You get paid a rate for the gig & the practice is something you do on your own to be prepared. It's like being a mechanic, if you're good you can blow through things quickly & still do a good job.

Maybe if they requested some super weirdo unique piece for audition he has an argument, otherwise, I would bet one billionaire dollhairs that there are much more talented clarinetists that could learn their audition rep in a lot less than 100 hours.
This post was edited on 1/5/26 at 9:12 pm
Posted by beaux duke
Member since Oct 2023
4876 posts
Posted on 1/5/26 at 9:07 pm to
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Good. Time to start aggressively attacking and reversing racist/unconstitutional DEI initiatives.

which racist/unconstitutional dei initiative are you referring to?
be specific
Posted by Bigdawgb
Member since Oct 2023
4148 posts
Posted on 1/5/26 at 9:24 pm to
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have a Yacht Rock group that does pretty well. It's a large group though, 10 pieces with horns, but for some reason folks are willing to pay good money for it.

Also, being in Georgia....look up Equinox Orchestra.


Thanks & will do. Sounds like you have some great stories yourself...musicians tend to be pretty interesting

Some of my old frat bros had a yacht rock group that would play at Athens & Atlanta area bars. They turned into more of a jazz fusion group over the years but check out Misnomer/Mister Tie Dye when you get a chance
Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
5046 posts
Posted on 1/5/26 at 10:18 pm to
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DEI is bullshite, but as a professional musician myself this part is also bullshite & makes me want to know what else is going on here.
It sounds like he had a job, but got fired for being an agitator and troublemaker. I've never done it professionally, but I can imagine that being able to cooperate and collaborate with a variety of people and opinions is pretty important in a successful symphony; hiring a good enough performer who is a team player is likely more important than a slightly better performer who's an a-hole.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13418 posts
Posted on 1/5/26 at 10:26 pm to
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$250 an hour to practice, not even publically perform, the clarinet??


Don't you reckon he's starting high thinking he'll settle for less?

That's how negotiations usually go.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17234 posts
Posted on 1/5/26 at 10:37 pm to
Sounds like he might be right on the arguments but a prick in personal rations so the incorrect arguments might have been used to get rid of an a-hole.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41721 posts
Posted on 1/6/26 at 6:26 am to
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which racist/unconstitutional dei initiative are you referring to? be specific


Liberals like to hire people for their demographics over merits.
Posted by Bigdawgb
Member since Oct 2023
4148 posts
Posted on 1/6/26 at 8:55 am to
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Don't you reckon he's starting high thinking he'll settle for less?

That's how negotiations usually go.


No, this isn't how negotiations usually go at all. This is the equivalent of negotiating for a $50k truck and starting at $1. Or negotiating with a 2 year old. A random clarinetist doesn’t have the cards to negotiate this way.

Why not? Well...

Note that he's already suing for the $47k a year salary -a standard orchestra position would include performances & group rehearsals already. He's suing for 100 hours of practice time (does he even have record of this?) on the AUDITION. Practicing by himself.

Every year, thousands of musicians practice their @sses off for orchestra auditions. LOADS of them won't make it. But they're not owed one red cent for practicing, just like they're not owed a position in the orchestra for auditioning. They just take those pieces to the next audition, take those skills with them etc.

You should read the article, this guy is comically out of touch. Suing for practice hours is just the tip of the iceberg
This post was edited on 1/6/26 at 8:57 am
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
66576 posts
Posted on 1/6/26 at 10:11 am to
Posted by beachdude
FL
Member since Nov 2008
6488 posts
Posted on 1/6/26 at 10:44 am to
He should also ask for $1,000,000 in pain, suffering, and mental anguish for the infliction of emotional distress.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90512 posts
Posted on 1/6/26 at 11:29 am to
Awesome!
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75080 posts
Posted on 1/6/26 at 12:09 pm to
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Sounds like he might be right on the arguments but a prick in personal rations so the incorrect arguments might have been used to get rid of an a-hole.

That's clearly the case in regards to his Nashville firing. It doesn't seem he officially disputed or challenged that firing in any way. Hell, after he sent the 1am five page email to HR they fired him and posted extra security at the doors of the joint.

Knoxville isn't exactly far-flung from Nashville, and I'm sure there is overlap between the two symphonies at least to some degree. His reputation didn't disappear in the time between his Nashville firing and the Knoxville audition. There is no dispute from anyone involved in Nashville that he was a great player, but basically an a-hole. So, there's no surprise that he won the blind audition, only to have the people making the decision balk when they saw his name.
Posted by Bigdawgb
Member since Oct 2023
4148 posts
Posted on 1/6/26 at 12:16 pm to
Yup, the music world is tiny and the classical world is even more tiny, if you're playing professionally in multiple cities you're probably 1-2 degrees of separation from anyone significant in your instrument.

This guy is mad that being a douchey weirdo has caught up to him. DEI is just the tip of the iceberg
This post was edited on 1/6/26 at 12:31 pm
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