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Kneeling is 100% disrespectful, and that IS the point
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:45 pm
The rhetoric is that kneeling during the anthem isn't disrespectful, because it's a way of protesting police brutality. It is now considered racist to state that it is indeed disrespectful, and you need to check your racism before stating such.
The problem is that the purpose is not congruent with the rhetoric. By nature of being a protest it has to be disrespectful or else there is no objection. The entire point is to show disrespect in order to voice disapproval. The only other option is to stand, but this now shows support.
It has been well established tradition and honor to stand for the national anthem. This is our way as a nation to show respect for everything the nation has given us as well as for what we have given to it. To intentionally do otherwise is to disrespect that tradition. Regardless of the intent of the disrespect is honorable or not, the disrespect still exists.
The mental gymnastics being played out over this is beyond obnoxious. The kneelers need to be honest about their intentions and just say "Yes we are disrespecting the flag to voice our displeasure of the racism prevalent in the police department." Own what you are doing, because otherwise you look like dishonest charlatans. You look weaselly, and that makes winning over people to your favor even more difficult.
The problem is that the purpose is not congruent with the rhetoric. By nature of being a protest it has to be disrespectful or else there is no objection. The entire point is to show disrespect in order to voice disapproval. The only other option is to stand, but this now shows support.
It has been well established tradition and honor to stand for the national anthem. This is our way as a nation to show respect for everything the nation has given us as well as for what we have given to it. To intentionally do otherwise is to disrespect that tradition. Regardless of the intent of the disrespect is honorable or not, the disrespect still exists.
The mental gymnastics being played out over this is beyond obnoxious. The kneelers need to be honest about their intentions and just say "Yes we are disrespecting the flag to voice our displeasure of the racism prevalent in the police department." Own what you are doing, because otherwise you look like dishonest charlatans. You look weaselly, and that makes winning over people to your favor even more difficult.
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:47 pm to Midget Death Squad
I am beyond the whole kneeling thing.
What I really want to know is when will the violence against whites stop.
500,000 violent crimes per year is too much.
What I really want to know is when will the violence against whites stop.
500,000 violent crimes per year is too much.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:48 pm to Midget Death Squad
Twitheads are going to explode when Brees doesn't get booed during games like they think he should. One is reality, one is imagined.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:49 pm to dstone12
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What I really want to know is when will the violence against whites stop.
500,000 violent crimes per year is too much.
89% of crime against whites is by other whites.
We need to stop the scourge of white-on-white crime before we can talk about that.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:50 pm to Midget Death Squad
Here's some cold truth:
The whole intent behind the "kneeling" thing is every bit as racist as Billy Bob yelling "n....." at the top of his lungs.
It is 100% about flipping off whitey, always was, period, end of story.
The whole intent behind the "kneeling" thing is every bit as racist as Billy Bob yelling "n....." at the top of his lungs.
It is 100% about flipping off whitey, always was, period, end of story.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:50 pm to Midget Death Squad
No different than the Black Power fists in Mexico City 1968. It's a finger in the face to Whites. A complete lack of class.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:51 pm to TN Bhoy
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This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:52 pm to oogabooga68
not really, maybe just you.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:53 pm to TN Bhoy
500,000 per year is too much.
Don’t know if ima make it home some days.
Don’t know if ima make it home some days.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:55 pm to Midget Death Squad
The whole thing is dumb. Why would anyone think that choosing to kneel for the national anthem, something very offensive to many, as their means to protest? I think it is fair to say that the vast majority of people do not support police brutality and want it to end. Why not protest in a manner that the vast majority can get behind?
It's like giving the finger to the crucifix during the Lord's Prayer to protest the Catholic Church's abuse of children, and not understanding why most people don't want to do that.
It's like giving the finger to the crucifix during the Lord's Prayer to protest the Catholic Church's abuse of children, and not understanding why most people don't want to do that.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:59 pm to SUB
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Why would anyone think that choosing to kneel for the national anthem, something very offensive to many, as their means to protest?
Being offensive is exactly why they do it.
Now the full truth is that Kaep was getting passed over for another QB, so he used this as a means to gain attention to himself publicly as well as to gain leverage against the NFL so that if he lost his job it's because of his protesting. The backlash was fierce though, so he "compromised" and began kneeling. He saw his star rise and ran with it. Now he's making bank as a civil rights activist. Funny
Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:00 pm to Midget Death Squad
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The rhetoric is that kneeling during the anthem isn't disrespectful, because it's a way of protesting police brutality. It is now considered racist to state that it is indeed disrespectful, and you need to check your racism before stating such
This is what simple minded people don’t realize. Either being moronic or intellectually dishonest to that point.
I will stand for the flag and anthem, while supporting your Right and Why of you kneeling. I don’t have to disrespect my WHY to support you.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:01 pm to SUB
I totally get what you're saying, and for the longest time, I've agreed with that sentiment. I guess in order for a protest to be impactful in this sense, you do it on a platform that gives you the most attention. For a football player, I guess that's during the anthem.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:02 pm to TN Bhoy
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89% of crime against whites is by other whites.
We need to stop the scourge of white-on-white crime before we can talk about that.
Sounds good to me. Same for black on black crime.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:03 pm to TN Bhoy
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89% of crime against whites is by other whites.
We need to stop the scourge of white-on-white crime before we can talk about that.
You are Fake News and I know for certain you dont have any actual facts or statistics to support your ridiculous claim.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:04 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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For a football player, I guess that's during the anthem.
I disagree. So does Dak Prescott and many other black athletes.
The message is lost and I would argue causing more division than unity.
If we can't stand together to honor a country that allows for differing opinion, when can we?
Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:07 pm to Midget Death Squad
kneeling is an act of weakness and submission.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:07 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:
I totally get what you're saying, and for the longest time, I've agreed with that sentiment. I guess in order for a protest to be impactful in this sense, you do it on a platform that gives you the most attention. For a football player, I guess that's during the anthem.
Mickey,
How do you feel about Westboro Baptist Church protesting at Solders' funerals? I mean, it's certainly a platform that gives them attention. You can't really support Kapernick without supporting WBC's rifht to do it...if you truly want to protect everbody's right to protest. Personally, I believe there is a time and place. You don't really have to do the most offensive thing you can think of in order to get attention for your cause. But....if we are gonna support that sort of thing, you have to be consistent...
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:09 pm to Midget Death Squad
Easy fix would be just to keep both teams in the locker room while the National Anthem is played. They should’ve done that when this protest started years ago.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:12 pm to Midget Death Squad
quote:Most people with Brees or in general, will say it's deflecting from the point to talk about how it's disrespectful when it's not meant to be, and the point of the kneeling was the police brutality.
The rhetoric is that kneeling during the anthem isn't disrespectful, because it's a way of protesting police brutality. It is now considered racist to state that it is indeed disrespectful, and you need to check your racism before stating such.
The problem with this statement is Colin Kaepernick himself admitted he was not going to stand to show pride in this flag and country, so Kaep himself said it was NOT just about raising awareness to police brutality. Kaep himself admitted it was about that AND not respecting the flag and the country.
So if Kaep himself admits he didn't stand because he didn't want to show pride in the flag and country, why in the world would it be wrong for someone to agree essentially that not standing is not respecting the flag and country, and why can't that person disagree with that and think we should respect the flag and country?
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