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re: Key Safety Feature Disabled On Blackhawk?
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:11 pm to eitek1
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:11 pm to eitek1
quote:Saw one that made perfect sense as to why they didn’t see it.
After seeing the videos, I just can’t imagine how the pilot didn’t see the landing lights on that aircraft. Those things are incredibly bright from miles away. This is looking more and more intentional.
There was a ball field between the copter and the plane. Lights on, copter almost certainly couldn’t have seen it. That the ATC didn’t give them a vector to look at in order to have some idea where the plane was is a huge miss by the ATC.
There was a near miss the day before for much the same reason, the reason that one didn’t crash most likely was the plane climbed out of the landing and aborted when then got the collision alert.
Same “request visual separation” from the copter, instant approval just like this incident. That tells you it had been standard procedure, and that’s a problem.
No that doesn’t absolve the copter for both being too high and too close to the center of the channel. If they hadn’t been either this would likely have been another near miss.
Barring more evidence to the contrary I’m going to maintain the ATC is the primary failure however. They assumed the copter saw it, and that wasn’t correct.
No matter what the copter told the ATC, it’s still the ATC’s job to get 2 aircraft on a collision course not to meet in midair.
This post was edited on 2/6/25 at 11:12 pm
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:44 pm to SloaneRanger
Dude. It’s not that hard if you are an experienced pilot and stay in the parameters.
I would speculate she was a damn decent pilot of not a good one.
She didn’t frick up. She did exactly what she wanted.
I would speculate she was a damn decent pilot of not a good one.
She didn’t frick up. She did exactly what she wanted.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 12:00 am to Slevin7
Was that count suicidal? She killed a football team either way. frick her
Posted on 2/7/25 at 12:04 am to Toomer Deplorable
Did someone in the helo not want the other pilots to be alerted to oncoming traffic? So they wouldnt know to grab the stick?
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:05 am to Toomer Deplorable
No doubt suicide mission.
She wanted the attention and they scrubbed her online presence before she started a genocide.
She wanted the attention and they scrubbed her online presence before she started a genocide.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 4:20 am to SpartanSoul
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This was known and posted in the crash thread the night the crash happened. I saw it as a WTF thing, but it never seemed to get any traction.
first I;ve heard of it - and it should have been a highlight of the discussion.
Unless there is more to its function than apparent from its name.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 4:48 am to Toomer Deplorable
It seems someone at the base needs to be dishonorably discharged.
These things don’t just happen in a vacuum. Pete is going to whip out armed forces back into shape in 4 years
These things don’t just happen in a vacuum. Pete is going to whip out armed forces back into shape in 4 years
Posted on 2/7/25 at 5:11 am to Big4SALTbro
I'm surprised there haven't been massive numbers of command teams relieved yet. If you're in doubt with a helo, you stop and hover. Hell, they could drop down on the ground or just above the water if they need to, talk to the tower and tell them they don't see what they're supposed to see. Army Aviation got all these people killed and people need to get fired. If this wasn't intentional then it was incompetence mixed with hubris and cowardice.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 5:13 am to Big4SALTbro
quote:Possibly.
It seems someone at the base needs to be dishonorably discharged.
At some point the “request visual separation” procedure that happened in this instance and in the near miss the day before became part of their normal protocol for flights in that area. Questions need to be asked who decided that was a good idea.
The ATC hierarchy also needs questions asked about that, as we just got a very pointed lesson why that is a very dangerous thing to do as opposed to issuing clear directions to avoid intersecting flight paths.
For the nuts out there. No, it’s pretty clear they didn’t suicide into a plane full of skaters and their families. The previous near misses (of which we now know happened) just made this a case of the odds finally catching up to everyone.
Scrubbing their social media sadly these days just seems to be the knee jerk reaction from those in charge because they have become conditioned to it, especially the last 4 years. That has to stop.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:17 am to BuckyCheese
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Sounds like a great place to do a check ride when renewing quali for flying government continuity emergency flights in DC...
I can list 67 reasons why this wasn’t so.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:22 am to Tandemjay
quote:Incorrect. She was somehow the senior pilot on the aircraft.
She was flying with an IP, instructor pilot, if it was a training mission. "I've got the controls" is a phrase I have heard many times, while being in the back. Unless the IP also wanted to die, this was an accident.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:23 am to Big4SALTbro
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It seems someone at the base needs to be dishonorably discharged.
These things don’t just happen in a vacuum.
At this point, I am assuming this was a horrendous accident compounded by a series of critical errors both in and outside the helicopter.
Regardless, the entire CoC that signed off on this training mission should be held accountable and face some measure of impactful repercussions.
This post was edited on 2/7/25 at 6:41 am
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:31 am to RFK
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She was somehow the senior pilot on the aircraft.
This has been reported by several news outlets. Though a commissioned officer outranks any warrant officer, I assumed that the Chief would have been the command pilot since he was the more experienced pilot and was providing the check flight of Captain Lobach.
Is this SOP for a pilot with less than 500 hours of flight time? Perhaps some of our former military pilots will offer their input.
For The Army, The D.C. Crash Is The Latest In A Wave Of Troubling Accidents: Crashes of Army helicopters and fatalities are at the highest rates in over a decade…
…It’s unclear yet whether experience or rustiness played a role in Wednesday’s tragedy in Washington.The Black Hawk was flown by Chief Warrant Officer Andrew Eaves, an instructor pilot with 1,000 hours of flight time, and Capt. Rebecca Lobach, who had 500 hours and had qualified to be a pilot in command.
Black Hawk crew involved in DC crash made up of 'top pilots' with thousands of hours of experience. The helicopter flight along the Potomac was a routine qualification flight…
…As part of their annual qualifications, all Army aviators are tested on their skills during daylight and nighttime, as well as instrument flying. The evaluated pilot was in command of the flight, but if an emergency was to occur, the instructor would have taken control of the helicopter.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:34 am to Toomer Deplorable
Woman pilot prob thought it was the ac control.
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