- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Kansas Abortion ballot question was complicated
Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:52 am to LookSquirrel
Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:52 am to LookSquirrel
As I stated in another post, if someone from Kansas would rather the citizens of Kansas vote to ban abortion through a constitutional amendment on the ballot (e.g., because they don't trust the state legislature to do the right thing) then they would have voted YES.
Another ballot intiative should be offered to the citizens of Kansas whereby THEY are allowed to vote on several different laws:
1) Banning all abortions.
2) Banning all abortions with a life of the mother exception.
3) Banning all abortions with a rape or incest exception.
4) Banning all abortions with both a life of the mother exception and a rape or incest exception.
You can also offer some sort proposal where citizens can vote to ban abortions after a certain amount of time (e.g., viability, first trimester, etc.).
Let's see what the voters decide and not allow ALL abortions, including late-term abortions up to birth. I can almost guarantee you that less than 5% of Kansans would vote for partial birth abortions.
Another ballot intiative should be offered to the citizens of Kansas whereby THEY are allowed to vote on several different laws:
1) Banning all abortions.
2) Banning all abortions with a life of the mother exception.
3) Banning all abortions with a rape or incest exception.
4) Banning all abortions with both a life of the mother exception and a rape or incest exception.
You can also offer some sort proposal where citizens can vote to ban abortions after a certain amount of time (e.g., viability, first trimester, etc.).
Let's see what the voters decide and not allow ALL abortions, including late-term abortions up to birth. I can almost guarantee you that less than 5% of Kansans would vote for partial birth abortions.
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 9:58 am
0
Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:53 am to The Boat
quote:PLEASE explain why the GOP proponents of this initiative would WANT to confuse the voters and cause the DEFEAT of their own initiative.
They’re written like that by lawyers on purpose. It’s meant to confuse people.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:54 am to AggieHank86
Hank, in today's world people listen for media resources to clearly explain things OR see things on social media.
While not the best resource, the average Joe does not have a paralegal in pocket to help them on the spot.
It's disingenuous to even presume this wording is not confusing to average citizens.
While not the best resource, the average Joe does not have a paralegal in pocket to help them on the spot.
It's disingenuous to even presume this wording is not confusing to average citizens.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:56 am to xxTIMMYxx
quote:
You realize half the country can’t read past an 8th grade level right?
That doesn't mean we should cater to them by dumbing everything else down. They'll never have incentive to be better that way.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:56 am to notsince98
quote:So, your voters were uninformed.
The problem is many pro-life kansans were told and interpreted the wording to mean that the Kansas state constitution already restricts abortion and voting "yes" would remove the constitutional restrictions already put in place and allow lawmakers to do whatever evil they wanted to do.
If uninformed voters act to invalidate elections, we probably need to retroactively invalidate every election since 1789, because most voters are idiots.
quote:So, they knew nothing and took a Wild Assed Guess. OK
I personally talked to 7 people already that voted the wrong way because all propaganda and wording of the vote left them completely confused so they defaulted to assuming a kansas constitution would already be "conservative." Nobody knows about the supreme court interpretation in the state.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:59 am to LookSquirrel
there is not period or question mark at the end. how did this pass tech review?
Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:59 am to riccoar
Lefties cannot stress what a woman is but let’s kill what is inside the birther
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:00 am to AggieHank86
quote:
So, your voters were uninformed.
If uninformed voters act to invalidate elections, we probably need to retroactively invalidate every election since 1789, because most voters are idiots.
you shite stained marxist. Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:01 am to AggieHank86
quote:
PLEASE explain why the GOP proponents of this initiative would WANT to confuse the voters and cause the DEFEAT of their own initiative.
I'm guessing the "GOP proponents" who offered up this initiative were connected to certain legislators and they wanted full control of the matter and did not want to allow the citizens of Kansas to vote on amending the Constitution to ban abortions.
Do you honestly believe that 60% of Kansans believe that anyone has a Constitutional right to a partial-birth abortion?
Let's put that on the ballot and see what Kansans want.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:03 am to LookSquirrel
That shite is pretty dang convoluted. I think both anti-abortion folks and abortionists had significant swaths of folks who voted the wrong way (RE: their druthers) based simply on misinterpretation of that question.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:04 am to MMauler
quote:That is not what was presented on the ballot.
Do you honestly believe that 60% of Kansans believe that anyone has a Constitutional right to a partial-birth abortion?
Summarized, the ballot asked "Do you want the legislature to have the right to legislate about abortion?"
Kansans said "no."
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:10 am to AggieHank86
quote:
quote:
Do you honestly believe that 60% of Kansans believe that anyone has a Constitutional right to a partial-birth abortion?
That is not what was presented on the ballot.
But, according to the far left, that is the result, i.e., since the legislature can't vote on it, Kansas voters voted to have unlimited abortions.
quote:
Summarized, the ballot asked "Do you want the legislature to have the right to legislate about abortion?"
Kansans said "no."
Exactly. That doesn't mean that they are for abortions on demand. They just don't want the legislature to decide the matter.
I've been saying for years that since this is such a contentious issue, the matter should be put on the ballots of all 50 states as state Constitutional amendments so that the people of the individual states can vote on it themselves. I'm guessing that's what many in Kansas want as well. I'm also guessing that all the pro-life movement would need is 10% of the 60% that voted "NO" on this ballot initiative to approve any sort of ban on abortion.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:14 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Summarized, the ballot asked "Do you want the legislature to have the right to legislate about abortion?"
Then maybe it should have been worded that way on the ballot. With a question mark at the end.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:16 am to LookSquirrel
Yeah the vast majority of voters aren’t taking the time to deceiver that shite
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:16 am to LookSquirrel
If that was a multiple choice question I would have picked "C".
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:18 am to LookSquirrel
where are all the liberals who said that Dobbs would lead to red states banning abortions altogether?
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:18 am to LookSquirrel
quote:Probably.
Summarized, the ballot asked "Do you want the legislature to have the right to legislate about abortion?"quote:
Then maybe it should have been worded that way on the ballot. With a question mark at the end.
The SoCons in the GOP tried to be cute. They thought they would catch a few more voters in the "Yes Vote" seine if they threw all the touchy-feely, pro-life rhetoric into the ballot language. They forgot the most voters are idiots and that anything with more than two syllables confuses the frick out of them.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:18 am to LookSquirrel
quote:
Then maybe it should have been worded that way on the ballot. With a question mark at the end.
Probably.
But if we're really at the point where anti-abortion folks were "tricked" into supporting abortion by this wording (it's not that difficult to understand), well, you know what I mean?
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:20 am to TDsngumbo
quote:
Looks like that is asking whether or not Kansans want to let their state representatives/government decide if they want to allow it or not.
That's how I read it. SCOTUS already threw it to the states. Is there something in the Kansas state constitution that would prohibit the state from legislating abortion?
I'm not seeing the point in this, though I would vote yes.
I would also vote that they invest in a spell checker -- if this is real.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:20 am to xxTIMMYxx
quote:
You realize half the country can’t read past an 8th grade level right?
my thought too
English is hard
Page 2 of 3
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News