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re: Kamala will offer amnesty and citizenship to all illegals

Posted on 7/28/24 at 1:16 pm to
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 7/28/24 at 1:16 pm to
Full quote is above.

I wouldn’t say it’s “out of context,” but it’s plugged in the middle of enough word salad to maybe give it enough plausible deniability to argue it is. Warren is one of the people better at this than Kamala. Pretty much everyone in DC is.
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 7/28/24 at 1:16 pm to


The “center” of that chart isn’t center.

Since when are Lib/Dems to the right of “center” and right next to conservatives?

That chart is gaslighting and attempting to normalize leftists policies and make conservatives look more extreme.
Posted by shoelessjoe
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 7/28/24 at 1:17 pm to
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Pathway to citizenship” could mean a lot of things in connection with immigration reform.

Since it sounds like you are ok with this, how many are you willing to support and allow to come and go in your home? If you don’t mind, can you pay my share of the taxes to support this?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/28/24 at 1:18 pm to
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Since when are Lib/Dems to the right of “center” and right next to conservatives?

That's for the UK
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/28/24 at 1:20 pm to
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I wouldn’t say it’s “out of context,” but it’s plugged in the middle of enough word salad to maybe give it enough plausible deniability to argue it is. Warren is one of the people better at this than Kamala. Pretty much everyone in DC is.


The generic "pathway to citizenship" can morph into many forms.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/28/24 at 1:21 pm to
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The generic "pathway to citizenship" can morph into many forms.


Not in reality.
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/28/24 at 1:21 pm to
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Democrats have written off Middle America.


THIS.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 7/28/24 at 1:22 pm to
Why is the USA so interested in immigrants? I never understood this....and believe there are many things we can do for our current CITIZENS that are far more important.
Illegals feel it is their right to enter the US!!!! This is so wrong!

As Trump said, come as you want, but come legally! What is so wrong with that approach!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/28/24 at 1:23 pm to
I was talking in terms of campaigning/politicking.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/28/24 at 1:25 pm to
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Why is the USA so interested in immigrants? I


Because the future economy will look like California. Large wealthy class, large group in poverty, few in the middle class.

Democrats hide cheap labor behind social justice, rich people need the govt to continue spending.
This post was edited on 7/28/24 at 1:26 pm
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/28/24 at 1:29 pm to
The issue needs to be framed as whether you are for allowing everyone who has come here in the past four years to remain here indefinitely or not. At this point, the legality status of “citizenship” is effectively little more than a meaningless red herring.
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 7/28/24 at 1:29 pm to
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Why should America not return the favor to Mexico??? Mexico has done nothing to help curtail the millions crossing their land headed to our southern border.


Mexico’s government is controlling by the same people who control our government, Canada’s government, European governments and most governments on the planet. A cabal of bankers, elitists and unelected bureaucrats. This is part of their plan and that plan will be implemented. It’s an unopposed force which own 99% of the power and wealth in this world.
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
18742 posts
Posted on 7/28/24 at 1:29 pm to
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The generic "pathway to citizenship" can morph into many forms.


The only form that exists in is illegal. Anything else is an incentive to come illegally.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22714 posts
Posted on 7/28/24 at 1:30 pm to
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It would shock me in summer 2024 that they'd say something like this with how the issue is polling. In the past, 100%. Now, did they hold this position in the past? Likely, but it's just DOA today, I'd imagine. If it's recent, then they're trying to lose.

Well, it's what they want and what they'll do the first chance - I don't think there's any argument about that. So that's the context, and given that the read that Kamala Harris wants a pathway to citizenship is fair. I would even go further - she/they want a pathway to citizenship plus 2-3 million more illegals per year be codified.

Strictly for the economy, of course - given Americans won't take the jobs illegals take.
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
29726 posts
Posted on 7/28/24 at 1:31 pm to
Well that outghta solve the border situation.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 7/28/24 at 1:31 pm to
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The issue needs to be framed as whether you are for allowing everyone who has come here in the past four years to remain here indefinitely or not.

Nobody on the national level is going to say this.

In all honesty, I don't think many believe it. Obama deported latinos at pretty high rates. It just takes time to go through the process for many.
Posted by TCO
Member since Jul 2022
3261 posts
Posted on 7/28/24 at 1:33 pm to
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Since when are Lib/Dems to the right of “center” and right next to conservatives?


You have a valid point. The Liberal Democrats are very much right smack in the center.

The comment was made about radical liberalism. As if Sadiq Khan is a member of the Green Party.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110946 posts
Posted on 7/28/24 at 1:34 pm to
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Nobody on the national level is going to say this.


No democrat is now.
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In all honesty, I don't think many believe it. Obama deported latinos at pretty high rates. It just takes time to go through the process for many.


This just illustrates how far the democrats have “drifted” on the issue. Nothing about the “process” to accomplish this has changed outside of this administration’s approach to it.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23781 posts
Posted on 7/28/24 at 1:34 pm to
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Why is the USA so interested in immigrants?


You owe it to yourself to do some due diligence. The answers aren't on the MSM. If the MSM tells you it's daytime..... Bet your arse it night.
There is plentiful information posted here daily with links discussing the true intentions of the progressive commie Dems.
Your correct. Illegals entering this country is so wrong.
Ask yourself why is it happening and who is allowing it.
Also, ask yourself how all these illegals know they will be allowed and how to manipulate the system once here. I'll give you a hint, there are NGO's set up in Panama and in Mexico that provide aid and information to help the illegals along the way.
Guess who funds these NGO's???????
Your and my tax dollars.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 7/28/24 at 1:35 pm to
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Nothing about the “process” to accomplish this has changed outside of this administration’s approach to it.


It's mainly a money issue.

Spend more on immigration courts/judges and you'll deport them faster. There's a huge backlog in the system (from the Obama era)
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