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re: Justice Steven's proposed 6 amendments to the constitution
Posted on 5/2/14 at 10:15 am to samson'sseed
Posted on 5/2/14 at 10:15 am to samson'sseed
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The original intent of the 2nd amendment was to give the states the ability to defend themselves against Indian attacks, local insurrections, and invasions from foreign powers.
I hope you aren't a voter.
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Posted on 5/2/14 at 10:17 am to samson'sseed
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It's impossible to determine, from the way it was written, whether the authors of the 2nd amendment meant the right to own a group was individual or collective.
No, it is not. See Heller.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 10:28 am to samson'sseed
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Actually, the original intent of the 2nd amendment is archaic and obsolete. Nevertheless, Steven's proposal clarifies it.
In other words, it changes the constitution to reflect his own personal preferences.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 10:38 am to samson'sseed
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The original intent of the 2nd amendment was to give the states the ability to defend themselves against Indian attacks, local insurrections, and invasions from foreign powers.
Read more, post less.
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“[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” - James Madison
P.S. Madison wrote the Second Amendment.
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"Who are the Militia? They consist now of the whole people." - George Mason
"militia, when properly formed, [as] in fact the people themselves." - George Mason
P.S. Mason was the founder/framer that pushed hardest for the inclusion of the 2nd Amendment.
And here are some quotes from the other crucial seven founders:
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"Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." - John Adams
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"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson
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"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms in his own lands." - Thomas Jefferson
Like I said, read more.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 10:40 am to Lakeboy7
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Bye bye Republican party.
wtf? 
Posted on 5/2/14 at 10:43 am to Taxing Authority
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Antonio Moss
thank you!!!
the citizens are the militia
dumb arse liberals dont even know how to interpret the 2nd
Posted on 5/2/14 at 2:31 pm to ninthward
I think the liberals do know how to interpret the 2nd but still will not yield to the people.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 3:08 pm to Antonio Moss
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Antonio Moss
I lurk, but the majority of those quotes you cited are made up or have been ridiculously twisted out of context.
Madison:
LINK
below in true context in the Federalist papers from Yale
LINK
Jefferson: LINK
Adams: LINK
Almost positive the George Mason quotes are fake as well, but I don't have time at the moment to find sources from any reputable sites. Anyway, I'll go back to lurking now.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 3:32 pm to ShortyRob
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I think it hilarious that there are apparently people walking this Earth who must be too young or too poorly educated to know that gerrymandering was created in the first place to guarantee black seats in congress.
I think it's hilarious that you think there were that many blacks in Massachusetts in 1812.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 5:55 pm to samson'sseed
So I guess the arms would need to be housed in some militia armory locations guarded by whom? Who would determine when or how frequently the militia would train with the weapons? Or does he mean only used in the event of an actual action?
Posted on 5/2/14 at 7:10 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I think it's hilarious that you think there were that many blacks in Massachusetts in 1812.
The ghost of Crispus Attucks says "frick you Honky"
Posted on 5/2/14 at 9:50 pm to samson'sseed
He has the excuse of senility. You just have infantile stupidity.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 10:01 pm to samson'sseed
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Than why did they use the word...MILITIA...in a clause by itself?
Well there is a construct of English grammar you need to be familiar with. Seeing as you don't know the difference between "than" and "then", it should suffice to say it is beyond your education level.
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It's impossible to determine, from the way it was written, whether the authors of the 2nd amendment meant the right to own a group was individual or collective.
It really isn't since the collective rights theories wrt the 2nd Amendment were put in their graves with the Heller and McDonald SCOTUS decisions. You seriously don't know very much about this topic.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 10:49 pm to samson'sseed
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He wants to rewrite the 2nd amendment for clarity.
No, he just wants to rewrite the second amendment.
Our founding fathers were very aware of the fact that private citizens should be armed.
1. they had just fought a war with a majority volunteer force, against a tyrannical government. They understood that you cannot rely on government forces to protect freedom
2. They were very wary of making the US government over powerful. An armed populace was originally designed to keep it in check.
Also the death penalty isn't cruel, and it shouldn't be unusual. Some people deserve to die.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 10:57 pm to samson'sseed
Jesus, that is quite possibly the most statist proposals much less writing I've seen from a SCOTUS justice in recent times. 
Sorry to hear he's rather ignorant on the 2nd amendment and why states are important and their sovereignty has to be protected.
Sorry to hear he's rather ignorant on the 2nd amendment and why states are important and their sovereignty has to be protected.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 11:00 pm to samson'sseed
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This post was edited on 5/3/14 at 10:15 am
Posted on 5/2/14 at 11:02 pm to SammyTiger
Just to clarify, are there limits to the type of weapons an average Joe citizen should be able to own?
Posted on 5/2/14 at 11:05 pm to CollegeFBRules
My own limit is if any federal agency can purchase and use the weapon, I should be able to do that as well.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 11:09 pm to Sentrius
Hmmm...interesting litmus test. If I can find a federal agency in possession of a rocket, you are okay with any citizen without a criminal record owning a rocket? I'm not.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 11:11 pm to CollegeFBRules
I would trust any citizen more than I would trust the government and the government has a bunch of rockets.
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