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re: Just curious as to who believes in aliens/UFOs coverup

Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:54 pm to
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:54 pm to
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Meh, my brother and I saw more than just a "shadowy shape in the water". We both saw a 60+ foot unknown serpentine marine animal except for its tail exposed above the surface of the water from only 20 yards away can't be a figment of our imagination.


I don't doubt that you saw something. However, there's no acceptable documentation of what you saw. Therefore, for others to accept your claim you must strive to produce evidence that what you saw is something out of the ordinary. That strength of evidence cannot be determined by you. You must meet the requirements for evidence that your doubters demand.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:54 pm to
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We just need only enough evidence to prove our claim is correct.



Well, you don't even have that.
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:08 pm to
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In spite of that, we have gotten 6 photos, 3 long videos and several short videos that scientists can view and analyze.


Again, no one is going to come knocking on your door based upon what you're selling as evidence. If you are convinced that your evidence is compelling, then you should go knocking on the doors of marine biologists at some of the many top-notch schools located in the San Francisco area.

Think of it as going to the doctor for a diagnosis of something that's bothering you. If you don't like the first doctor's opinion, get another. And another and another until you're satisfied that you understand the condition with which you're dealing.

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We just need only enough evidence to prove our claim is correct.


To whom? Other cryptozoologists? Marine biologists? A political forum's posters?

You certainly seem to be wasting your efforts here.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38457 posts
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:11 pm to
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spite of that, we have gotten 6 photos, 3 long videos and several short videos that scientists can view and analyze.


And not a single picture nor video has nor will be shared by you. Instead. "Just trust me bros"
Posted by Gatorbait2008
Member since Aug 2015
28606 posts
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:27 pm to
I believe there are other lifeforms on other planets. It would be insanely ignorant to deny this just because of the statistical probability of it(according to Hawking, pretty decent source).

However; us storing aliens? No.

If a species is able to travel to Earth, they are far more advanced than we are. You basically would have to be able to travel the speed of light, or found a "warp" or "wormhole" to get to Earth from another hospitable planet.

If they have the technology to do this, then we don't have the technology to capture them, and hold them. Add in they would probably be quite angry(I'd assume emotions would be in their evolution considering they are obviously an intelligent species).

So are we hiding aliens? No. If they can reach Earth, they are 200 years more advanced than us. Minimal.
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:44 pm to
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I believe there are other lifeforms on other planets. It would be insanely ignorant to deny this just because of the statistical probability of it(according to Hawking, pretty decent source).


Statistics can say anything you want. However, considering the number of planets that likely orbit in their stars' habitable zones life is probably ubiquitous wherever the three requirements for its evolution exist; i.e, organic molecules, water and an energy source.

However, intelligent civilizations are likely much more rare. Consider that it took 4.5 billion years for humans to evolve on earth. If our only example is the norm then there are probably very few civilizations in the Universe. We could very well be alone.
Posted by Gatorbait2008
Member since Aug 2015
28606 posts
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:47 pm to
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However, intelligent civilizations are likely much more rare. Consider that it took 4.5 billion years for humans to evolve on earth. If our only example is the norm then there are probably very few civilizations in the Universe. We could very well be alone.


I think that was all taken into account into his processing of intelligent life on other planets. Either way. Our Galaxy alone their are over 88 billion "earth like planets"

With the absolutely mind boggling amount of planets. You would assume at least a few hoist lifeforms that have evolved intelligent thought. Even if the reason someone doesn't believe is religion, I would argue no God would make a Universe this large for one single lifeform on a single planet, that will never see 99.99999999 percent of it.
Posted by UGAdawg2
Member since Aug 2017
25 posts
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:55 pm to
I believe that nothing happened at Roswell.
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:06 pm to
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With the absolutely mind boggling amount of planets. You would assume at least a few hoist lifeforms that have evolved intelligent thought.


Yes, well, in evolution there are filters. These filters get exponentially more difficult for a species to cross as it gets more complex. On earth our human species has crossed some incredible filters, the most recent of which is the technological filter.

Biologically, we have reached an end point. We can advance no further into the Universe in our current form. Our biology is suited for earth only. We can't explore space as the meatbags we are. Space is just too hostile. Fortunately, we have crossed the technological filter.

This means that we can construct our evolutionary successor species, ASI, or artificial super intelligence. We can skip past ordinary artificial intelligence, or AI, because once it begins to design itself it will very rapidly become ASI.

It is only this ASI successor species that can venture into the Universe. If we ever encounter another intelligent species it will be ASI.

Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:22 am to
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I know what data the videos contain


Wrong. You believe you know what data the videos contain - that in no way means that those are the ACTUAL data that they contain.
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:38 am to
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I believe that nothing happened at Roswell.


Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 8/10/17 at 8:48 am to
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I don't doubt that you saw something. However, there's no acceptable documentation of what you saw. Therefore, for others to accept your claim you must strive to produce evidence that what you saw is something out of the ordinary.


That's why the first thing we did was buy an instamatic camera then we went to the area where we had the first sighting around dawn almost daily for two years.

We were able to get 6 photos during that period but after that we went to the location less frequently, After the big earthquake in October, 1989, for the next two years nobody was coming to SF so we had to concentrate on keeping our small business alive because it was our only source of income.

We had to put every spare penny we had back into the business so it wasn't until around 1997 that we bought our first video camera and we took it everywhere we went especially when we went to the bay to look for the animal again.

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That strength of evidence cannot be determined by you. You must meet the requirements for evidence that your doubters demand.


The doubters demand that we produce the body of the animal or a portion of a body.

We did a damn good job of getting any photos or video of the animals and the data contained in the videos should be closely examined by the scientific community not immediately dismissed before it is even given a proper examination.

We are doing the scientific community a favor by coming forward and reporting our sightings and allowing them the opportunity to closely examine our photos and videos.

We may not have a "Jurassic Park" type of photo or video of the animals but we do have enough data in our photos and videos to prove that sea serpents exist.

If that's not good enough for the scientific community to take it seriously enough to do some "in the field" research then so be it.

In reality, all that really matters is that my brother and I as well as the other eyewitnesses who have had a definitive sighting of one of these animals know that sea serpents exist.

This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 8:50 am
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 8/10/17 at 8:57 am to
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I know what data the videos contain


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Wrong. You believe you know what data the videos contain - that in no way means that those are the ACTUAL data that they contain.


Meh, you don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows.

My brother and I did extensive examination of each photo and every frame in every video we have and we KNOW what data is contained in them.

If anyone knows what data is contained in our photos and videos, it is my brother and me not you.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 8/10/17 at 8:59 am to
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My brother and I did extensive examination of each photo and every frame in every video we have and we KNOW what data is contained in them.

Congratulations.

You've proved it to yourselves but not a single person that matters on the planet.

What an accomplishment.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:00 am to
This whole shtick is one long troll job.

The guy has been Gish Galloping for page upon page.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:04 am to
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Since you said he will post them on the internet, I will not send him the videos. He can blame you for fricking up his chance to see all 3 videos.


"I have PROOF that any expert who is honest would recognize..........but, I'm not going to release it so that ALL experts can see it because some of them might make fun of me".

This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 9:05 am
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:06 am to
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I believe that nothing happened at Roswell.


RAAF Major Jesse Marcel believed something happened in Roswell and he went to the location where the crash occurred and actually handled the debris from the crash.

What evidence are you basing your disbelief on?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:08 am to
Just wondering.

Why exactly would every expert on the planet have no interest in possibly confirming the existence of a large previously unknown creature in the ocean?

This would literally be the exact opposite of their behavior on this type thing in every other circumstance.............ever.
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:09 am to
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In reality, all that really matters is that my brother and I as well as the other eyewitnesses who have had a definitive sighting of one of these animals know that sea serpents exist


What you have then is a tale, a story. Something personal to share with those who will listen. Tales are legion.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:16 am to
Maybe this charlatan will demand I set up a polygraph for him again.

That's a fun Gish Gallop.
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