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re: Just curious as to who believes in aliens/UFOs coverup
Posted on 8/9/17 at 8:15 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 8/9/17 at 8:15 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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You can't demand that your doubters follow the scientific method unless you follow it, too. You have to allow peer review. If you want the support of the scientific community, you have to accept the scrutiny of any scientist who sees your research as worthy of investigation. The onus is upon you to craft a theory, find evidence supporting it, publish your results and then sit back and wait for others to attempt to duplicate your results.
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He has no interest in any of that.
bullshite!
After we took our first video, we immediately went to Dr. John McCosker who was the Director of the Steinhart Aquarium at the time with the video for him to watch because we had talked with him in person at his office just a few days after our first sighting and he told us if we ever got photos or a video of the animal then he would be glad to analyze it.
As things turned out, 19 years later we went to his office with the video for him to examine but his secretary told us he refused to talk with us and to even look at our video. In fact, his secretary told us he said if his colleagues heard about or saw him looking at the video. they would interpret that to mean he was taking the possibility of sea serpents existing seriously and it could ruin his reputation and career. His secretary then told us to leave the building immediately and said if we didn't leave immediately then Dr. McCosker had instructed her to call the police.
So don't act like we are refusing to show our videos to scientists.
We have told several scientists where we have been having our sightings as well as the time of year and day of our sightings and have asked them to come to San Francisco to try to have their own sighting but none of them has ever come to SF.
So it is the so-called scientific community's fault for not coming to SF to try to duplicate our results.
I'm sure all of them are afraid that their reputations and careers will be ruined if their peers find out they went to SF to look for sea serpents.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 9:08 pm
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Posted on 8/9/17 at 8:20 pm to BamaAtl
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He's going to post them, and it's going to be awesome.
Since you said he will post them on the internet, I will not send him the videos.
He can blame you for fricking up his chance to see all 3 videos.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 8:21 pm to DawgfaninCa
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His secretary then told us to leave the building immediately and said if we didn't leave immediately then Dr. McCosker had instructed her to call the police.
I'd be interested in hearing the other side of this. I'd bet it would be told a bit differently.
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So it is the so-called scientific community's fault for not coming to SF to try to duplicate our results.
Yeah, it's their fault for continuing legitimate work instead of dropping it to come to SF on nothing more than a couple of stories and extremely poor quality videos.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 8:22 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Since you said he will post them on the internet, I will not send him the videos.
How convenient.
I totally wouldn't post them. Send them to me.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 8:26 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Sure. I'm not 100% sure there isn't a plate of spaghetti orbiting the sun, either.
Well, I'm 100% sure that a plate of spaghetti isn't orbiting the sun and I'm 100% sure that on February 5, 1985 I saw a 60+ foot long unknown serpentine marine animal that was only 20 yards away from me.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 8:30 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Since you said he will post them on the internet, I will not send him the videos.
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How convenient.
I totally wouldn't post them. Send them to me.
I don't believe you.
In the past, you have not been willing to go by the requirements I set up so I know you would not go by this requirement.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 8:32 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Well, I'm 100% sure that a plate of spaghetti isn't orbiting the sun and I'm 100% sure that on February 5, 1985 I saw a 60+ foot long unknown serpentine marine animal that was only 20 yards away from me.
Good for you. You're equally able to prove either of those to be true.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 8:33 pm to DawgfaninCa
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I don't believe you.
In the past, you have not been willing to go by the requirements I set up so I know you would not go by this requirement.
Requirements? This is why you can't get anyone to take you seriously.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 8:40 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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His secretary then told us to leave the building immediately and said if we didn't leave immediately then Dr. McCosker had instructed her to call the police.
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I'd be interested in hearing the other side of this. I'd bet it would be told a bit differently.
Nobody is stopping you from contacting Dr. McCosker and asking him his side of the story.
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So it is the so-called scientific community's fault for not coming to SF to try to duplicate our results.
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Yeah, it's their fault for continuing legitimate work instead of dropping it to come to SF on nothing more than a couple of stories and extremely poor quality videos.
By saying it's not legitimate work for scientists to come to SF to try to have their own sighting of a sea serpent in SF Bay means you do not even believe in the possibility that sea serpents might exist,
Therefore, your opinion regarding the quality of our videos is irrelevant.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 8:43 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Nobody is stopping you from contacting Dr. McCosker and asking him his side of the story.
I'm not going to harass the man after you and your brother already have.
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By saying it's not legitimate work for scientists to come to SF to try to have their own sighting of a sea serpent in SF Bay means you do not even believe in the possibility that sea serpents might exist,
Therefore, your opinion regarding the quality of our videos is irrelevant.
Nope, it means you've provided nothing credible. Serious people can't drop what they're doing to investigate every claim one of you makes.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 8:53 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Requirements? This is why you can't get anyone to take you seriously.
Requiring a scientist to agree to provide documentation regarding how and why they came to their conclusion of what data is contained in our videos so that their peers can review it for it's veracity is a reasonable request.
At least both Clifford Paiva and Bruce Champagne provided written documentation for how and why they reached their conclusions that the objects in our first video are several large unknown serpentine marine animals so their peers can review how and why they came to their conclusions and to verify their veracity.
Grant Fredericks who NG hired to examine our video for their TV program who concluded the black objects were just "probably birds" refused to provide written documentation how and why he came to that conclusion.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 8:57 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Requiring a scientist to agree to provide documentation regarding how and why they came to their conclusion of what data is contained in our videos so that their peers can review it for it's veracity is a reasonable request.
Requiring anyone to view your videos only in a manner you decide is not a reasonable request. Requiring someone to come to SF to view them is not a reasonable request. If you had the proof you claim to have, we'd all be able to watch these videos on YouTube right now.
You don't, and you're unwilling to subject them to widespread scrutiny. You have nothing credible. You and your brother are scammers.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:01 pm to DawgfaninCa
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What have you got to lose?
Exactly. What do you have to lose by sharing the videos?
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Since you "know" that we are both lying, I would think you would jump at the chance to prove we are both liars.
You must be mentally retarded. Not once have I said I know you're lying. Not once have I said you're lying about what you saw. I've even said it's plausible you saw what you said you saw. We find new species every year, and a vast majority of those are from the ocean. You're just putting words in my mouth in some bullshite excuse to try to crawfish your way out of sharing your video.
All I've asked is to be shown the video. That's it. You're so paranoid you're making shite up so you can justify not showing me your videos.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:03 pm to DawgfaninCa
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I'm 100% sure that on February 5, 1985 I saw a 60+ foot long unknown serpentine marine animal that was only 20 yards away from me.
You didn't.
There's a reason eyewitness testimony is the least reliable.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:06 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Nobody is stopping you from contacting Dr. McCosker and asking him his side of the story.
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I'm not going to harass the man after you and your brother already have.
That's a cop-out.
We spoke to Dr. McCosker once in person in 1985 and 19 years later in 2004 we went to his office and told his secretary that we had a video he said he would watch if we were able to take it.
That's far from harassing him.
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By saying it's not legitimate work for scientists to come to SF to try to have their own sighting of a sea serpent in SF Bay means you do not even believe in the possibility that sea serpents might exist,
Therefore, your opinion regarding the quality of our videos is irrelevant.
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Nope, it means you've provided nothing credible. Serious people can't drop what they're doing to investigate every claim one of you makes.
Nope, it means even though we have credible video evidence of the existence of sea serpents, so-called scientists are more worried at being laughed at by their peers and having their reputation and career ruined for even thinking it is possible that sea serpents might exist than taking the chance they may have their own sighting of a sea serpent if they come to SF at the right time and are in the right place and looking in the right direction.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:10 pm to DawgfaninCa
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That's a cop-out.
Let's see those high-quality videos you surely have.
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That's far from harassing him.
Maybe, but he threatened police action for a reason. Knowing what we know, it's easy to say there's something missing from your version.
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Nope, it means even though we have credible video evidence of the existence of sea serpents
So credible you refuse to provide it.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:25 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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It's not just sea monsters, either.
Right. The Cryptid Zoo is an extensive list. The category that apparently has the interest of DawgfaninCa is Draconics, which includes sea serpents.
It's fascinating to me that a common characteristic of cryptozoologists is their ready acceptance of the thinnest of evidence as solid proof that one of these animals exists. A shadowy shape in the water, underbrush or woods is enough to spark a great effort on their part to convince others that their "discovery" is real.
You would think that their effort would be directed towards more concentrated research to gather convincing data, and perhaps some of them do try, but that first "encounter" seems unshakable. It seems to have become imprinted in their minds the way a duckling imprints on the first moving thing it sees, usually its parents. They, like the ducking, will no longer follow anything else, even if in the human case the object is only in their imaginations.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:42 pm to DawgfaninCa
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We have told several scientists where we have been having our sightings as well as the time of year and day of our sightings and have asked them to come to San Francisco to try to have their own sighting but none of them has ever come to SF
So it is the so-called scientific community's fault for not coming to SF to try to duplicate our results
You don't seem to understand that it's your responsibility to gather enough data to get the interest of scientists in your work. It is not anyone's responsibility to come to San Francisco and prove you right or wrong.
You surely know that genuine research scientists get incredible claims from the public constantly. They have to operate under an "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" rule.
You have an extraordinary claim. Do you have extraordinary evidence? No one seems to think so.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:46 pm to Kentucker
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You would think that their effort would be directed towards more concentrated research to gather convincing data, and perhaps some of them do try, but that first "encounter" seems unshakable. It seems to have become imprinted in their minds the way a duckling imprints on the first moving thing it sees, usually its parents. They, like the ducking, will no longer follow anything else, even if in the human case the object is only in their imaginations.
Meh, my brother and I saw more than just a "shadowy shape in the water". We both saw a 60+ foot unknown serpentine marine animal except for its tail exposed above the surface of the water from only 20 yards away so it can't be a figment of both of our imaginations.
Either we saw it or we are lying and we are not lying.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:53 pm to Kentucker
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You don't seem to understand that it's your responsibility to gather enough data to get the interest of scientists in your work. It is not anyone's responsibility to come to San Francisco and prove you right or wrong.
You don't seem to understand how difficult it is to have a sighting of one of these animals let alone get a photo or video of it.
In spite of that, we have gotten 6 photos, 3 long videos and several short videos that scientists can view and analyze.
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You surely know that genuine research scientists get incredible claims from the public constantly. They have to operate under an "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" rule.
You have an extraordinary claim. Do you have extraordinary evidence? No one seems to think so.
Sagan was wrong. We don't need extraordinary evidence. We just need only enough evidence to prove our claim is correct.
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