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re: Just curious as to who believes in aliens/UFOs coverup
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:17 am to ShortyRob
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:17 am to ShortyRob
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"I have PROOF that any expert who is honest would recognize..........but, I'm not going to release it so that ALL experts can see it because some of them might make fun of me".
If my brother and I can't trust someone to respect our wishes not to post any portion of the videos on the internet without first getting our permission then we can't trust them to do an unbiased analysis of the videos.
We have invited the scientific community to have an "expect" of their choice examine ALL of our photos and videos as long as they are willing to produce written documentation explaining how and why they reached their conclusion and agree not to post any of our photos or any portion of our videos on the internet without first getting our permission.
So far, the scientific community has chosen not to accept our reasonable offer.
Our offer still stands.
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Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:20 am to DawgfaninCa
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If my brother and I can't trust someone to respect our wishes not to post any portion of the videos on the internet without first getting our permission then we can't trust them to do an unbiased analysis of the videos.
The question is, why do you wish to withhold your proof?
What difference does it make if 10,000 people do biased analysis if some experts believe you and go out and confirm your findings?
Welcome to science dumb arse. New discoveries go that way basically 100% of the time.
Or. You can protect your wittle feewings.
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We have invited the scientific community to have an "expect" of their choice examine ALL of our photos and videos as long as they are willing to produce written documentation explaining how and why they reached their conclusion and agree not to post any of our photos or any portion of our videos on the internet without first getting our permission. So far, the scientific community has chosen not to accept our reasonable offer.
Yeah. It's completely normal in the scientific world that when someone makes exceptional claims, they withhold their proof and demand everyone come to them.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:20 am to ShortyRob
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Maybe this charlatan will demand I set up a polygraph for him again.
You are just afraid that both of us will pass the polygraph test.
Put your money where your big mouth is.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:22 am to DawgfaninCa
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You are just afraid that both of us will pass the polygraph test. Put your money where your big mouth is.
Use your Gish Gallop on someone who doesn't know what you're doing.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:39 am to ShortyRob
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If my brother and I can't trust someone to respect our wishes not to post any portion of the videos on the internet without first getting our permission then we can't trust them to do an unbiased analysis of the videos.
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The question is, why do you wish to withhold your proof?
The answer is we are not withholding our proof.
The question now becomes, "Why are you trying to make it appear that we are withholding our proof?"
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What difference does it make if 10,000 people do biased analysis if some experts believe you and go out and confirm your findings?
Are you kidding?
It only took one biased analysis of our first video by Grant Fredericks for all the rest of the skeptics to dismiss our video as just a video of "probably birds".
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Welcome to science dumb arse. New discoveries go that way basically 100% of the time.
Welcome to the real world, Bozo.
Sea serpents exist and my brother and I are 100% certain that we have proof that they exist.
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Or. You can protect your wittle feewings.
It ain't about our feelings and you know it.
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Yeah. It's completely normal in the scientific world that when someone makes exceptional claims, they withhold their proof and demand everyone come to them.
We are willing to send copies of our photos and videos free of charge to any "expert" that the scientific community choses.
However, in order for the scientific community to try to "duplicate" the results of our work, they must come to SF and spend years trying to get more photos and videos of the animals.
After all, an extraordinary claim only requires enough evidence to prove it's correct.
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 9:41 am
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:45 am to ShortyRob
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You are just afraid that both of us will pass the polygraph test. Put your money where your big mouth is.
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Use your Gish Gallop on someone who doesn't know what you're doing.
My brother and I know what you are doing
You are just trying to dismiss our sightings and evidence because you are afraid we can prove your blind belief that sea serpents don't exist is wrong.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:47 am to DawgfaninCa
quote:So you've released to be examined by any and all experts who wish to see it?
The answer is we are not withholding our proof.
Nope.
quote:You are.
The question now becomes, "Why are you trying to make it appear that we are withholding our proof?"
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Are you kidding? It only took one biased analysis of our first video by Grant Fredericks for all the rest of the skeptics to dismiss our video as just a video of "probably birds".
Initial reactions to quantum theory were very unkind.
Initial reactions to relativity were unkind.
Grow a pair.
quote:Proof is only useful if it is used to............I know this will sound crazy............PROVE something.
Sea serpents exist and my brother and I are 100% certain that we have proof that they exist
quote:True. You're just a liar.
It ain't about our feelings and you know it.
quote:That's not how this works.
We are willing to send copies of our photos and videos free of charge to any "expert" that the scientific community choses.
quote:That's not how science works either.
However, in order for the scientific community to try to "duplicate" the results of our work, they must come to SF and spend years trying to get more photos and videos of the animals.
In fact, by definition, replicating results should be done WITHOUT the originator of the results.
For obvious reasons.
quote:Exactly.
After all, an extraordinary claim only requires enough evidence to prove it's correct.
"Cause I said it's proof" isn't very "extraordinary".
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:49 am to DawgfaninCa
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My brother and I know what you are doing You are just trying to dismiss our sightings and evidence because you are afraid we can prove your blind belief that sea serpents don't exist is wrong.
I, like probably every person on the planet who studies the ocean, would think it's fricking AWESOME if someone could confirm a large sea serpent lived in the SF Bay.
That's why you have NEVER answered the basic question.
What would the motivation be of all these experts for not being interested in confirming the existence.
You can come up with valid reasons people might hide aliens visiting.
But EVERYONE who is interested in the ocean loves the discovery of new animals in it.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:52 am to Kentucker
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What you have then is a tale, a story. Something personal to share with those who will listen. Tales are legion.
My brother and I also have the evidence that proves this is not just a tall tale but reality.
However, you and the other skeptics want to destroy our credibility so that no one will take us seriously and bother to examine our photos and videos closely to determine what data they contain.
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 9:53 am
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:53 am to DawgfaninCa
What would the motivation be of all these experts for not being interested in confirming the existence.
You can come up with valid reasons people might hide aliens visiting.
But EVERYONE who is interested in the ocean loves the discovery of new animals in it.
You can come up with valid reasons people might hide aliens visiting.
But EVERYONE who is interested in the ocean loves the discovery of new animals in it.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:03 am to ShortyRob
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What would the motivation be of all these experts for not being interested in confirming the existence.
The scientific community has gone on the public record saying that sea serpents DO NOT exist.
If the scientific community is proven wrong about sea serpents existing after they went on the public record and vehemently asserted that sea serpents don't exist then it means their unquestionable authority regarding the veracity on other extraordinary claims will be destroyed since their bias will have been exposed.
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 10:04 am
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:04 am to DawgfaninCa
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The scientific community has gone on the record saying that sea serpents DO NOT exist
That's not an answer.
It's also not true, so there's that.
Link to this official pronouncement from "the scientific community".
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:06 am to ShortyRob
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I, like probably every person on the planet who studies the ocean, would think it's fricking AWESOME if someone could confirm a large sea serpent lived in the SF Bay.
That's why you have NEVER answered the basic question.
What would the motivation be of all these experts for not being interested in confirming the existence.
You can come up with valid reasons people might hide aliens visiting.
But EVERYONE who is interested in the ocean loves the discovery of new animals in it.
I already answered that question.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:08 am to DawgfaninCa
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I already answered that question.
No.
You lied.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:15 am to ShortyRob
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That's not an answer.
You left out the other half of my answer.
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It's also not true, so there's that.
Link to this official pronouncement from "the scientific community".
Meh, where have you been for the last 200 years?
The scientific community dismisses the testimony of every eyewitness as a misidentification of a known marine animal or inanimate object or as a hoax even when the sighting is by two people from only 20 yards away and the entire animal except for its tail is exposed above the surface of the water or when at least nine unrelated individuals report that they had a definitive sighting of a sea serpent at Stinson Beach.
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 10:16 am
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:17 am to ShortyRob
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I already answered that question.
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No.
You lied.
Prove it by giving my brother and me a polygraph test.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:21 am to DawgfaninCa
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Meh, where have you been for the last 200 years?
In the last 200 years, multiple animals that were doubted to exist were proven to exist by people who sought to find animals claimed to have been sighted.
You made my point.
Thanks.
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Scientific Community
There is no such thing as some monolithic "scientific community".
Your answer is a fail.
Try again.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:21 am to DawgfaninCa
quote:Save your Gish for someone who doesn't know what you're doing.
Prove it by giving my brother and me a polygraph test.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:32 am to ShortyRob
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So you've released to be examined by any and all experts who wish to see it?
Nope.
Our only requirements before sending the "expert" DVD copies of our 3 videos free of charge are that the "expert" agrees to provide written documentation explaining how and why they reached their conclusion which is part of the Scientific Method and that they agree not to publish any portion of our videos on the internet or anyplace else without first getting our permission which is normal for someone to do when they are in possession of someone else's property.
Why are you painting those two normal requirements as my brother and I refusing to let any "expert" to examine our videos that the scientific community choses?
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Are you kidding? It only took one biased analysis of our first video by Grant Fredericks for all the rest of the skeptics to dismiss our video as just a video of "probably birds".
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Initial reactions to quantum theory were very unkind.
Initial reactions to relativity were unkind.
Grow a pair.
My brother and I had the balls to report our sightings and videos to the public even though we knew we would be viciously attacked by skeptics like you.
We also have the balls to continue telling the public and scientific community that we have the evidence that proves sea serpents exist in spite of the character assassination and insults made by skeptics like you.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:40 am to DawgfaninCa
As a member of the scientific community, I would be very interested in seeing your and your brother's evidence.
That said, I want to explain why the scientific community says "There are no sea serpents."
Now this can be a bit confusing but I teach to it everyone that takes my physical science class. In order for a hypothesis to be considered scientific it must be able to be disproven. So by saying, "There is no intelligent life any where in the universe other than Earth," you have made a scientific hypothesis because it will hold true until it is proven false, and it only takes one thing to disprove it. If you said "There are intelligent life forms throughout the universe," while that may ultimately be true, there's no method for disproving it until you've examined every moon around every planet around every star in every galaxy in every cluster in every super cluster.
Similarly, there has been no hard evidence of sea serpents i.e. capturing one alive, skeletons, or moltings. What we have are eye witness reports (notoriously unreliable) and poor quality photographic evidence that makes it tough to convince skeptics.
Now I don't doubt that you and your brother saw something, and by your detailed account it could be something extraordinary, but essentially what you're trying to do is get a murder conviction without a dead body, a murder weapon, and a clear motive. You've got a prime suspect that people remember seeing at a bar close to where the disappeared person lived and security cam footage that he was at the bar. Is it possible the guy at the bar killed the other person, maybe. Is it enough to convict the guy of murder not without some irrefutable physical evidence.
That said, I want to explain why the scientific community says "There are no sea serpents."
Now this can be a bit confusing but I teach to it everyone that takes my physical science class. In order for a hypothesis to be considered scientific it must be able to be disproven. So by saying, "There is no intelligent life any where in the universe other than Earth," you have made a scientific hypothesis because it will hold true until it is proven false, and it only takes one thing to disprove it. If you said "There are intelligent life forms throughout the universe," while that may ultimately be true, there's no method for disproving it until you've examined every moon around every planet around every star in every galaxy in every cluster in every super cluster.
Similarly, there has been no hard evidence of sea serpents i.e. capturing one alive, skeletons, or moltings. What we have are eye witness reports (notoriously unreliable) and poor quality photographic evidence that makes it tough to convince skeptics.
Now I don't doubt that you and your brother saw something, and by your detailed account it could be something extraordinary, but essentially what you're trying to do is get a murder conviction without a dead body, a murder weapon, and a clear motive. You've got a prime suspect that people remember seeing at a bar close to where the disappeared person lived and security cam footage that he was at the bar. Is it possible the guy at the bar killed the other person, maybe. Is it enough to convict the guy of murder not without some irrefutable physical evidence.
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