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re: Just a fun link hinting at why all the NN discussions are hilariously out of date

Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:25 am to
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
21978 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:25 am to
I live in a region where there is no competition, competition with ISPs would literally improve peoples lives out here. Point to point internet cannot get here soon enough.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
39875 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:27 am to
>cuts the cord because why I am I paying sportsball people to watch espn
>gets online illegal streams movies and tv show, plays online games all day and watches endless porn
>Normies are getting boned by Comcast cable net works
>muah net neutrality is up
>reddit army most stop this aggression
>no, internet fast lanes.
>mfw I am asking for a one size fits all internet package not dissimilar to cable tv so I can stream TV shows
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:28 am to
He thinks that wireless technology is going to change the dynamics of the internet so much that it will end cronyism and take care of every other facet of the subject at the same time. It's a pretty simplistic view, but he'll tell you that it's such a simplistic issue.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:29 am to
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As awesome as an improvement in wireless will be a hard wired connection will always have a more stable connection.
The difference will shrink to the point that literally no one will care.

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Now the two can definitely work together like they do in Korea. Where everyone has a great wired connection at home and when they are out in about the city, they are constantly connected to a wireless solution.

I make no predictions about the specifics of future markets. Only that markets are amazing when allowed to function.

If you'd asked me in 2005 if Blockbuster was a monopoly, I would have laughed at you. But, if you followed that up with, "oh yeah, then how are they going to be replaced", I would have had no specifics. It was just obvious they were in trouble.

If you would have talked to me in 1990 about how Sears could be competed with as they were controlling malls with their big box power, I couldn't have given you specifics.

But, I would have still been correct in laughing at the idea that the govt needed to get involved.

THAT is my point.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:31 am to
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Great, but wild guess that it had nothing to do with running a data center.
Sigh. Economics applies.........always
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Of course technology changes - but is that something we should gamble on?
Gamble on tech changing? Gamble? It's a sure bet.

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That "everything will be a-okay" because something is SURE to come along?
Economics applies. Always.

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The thread is about wireless making the whole thing a moot point, and I'm pointing out that we're a long way off from that being the case.
Said every fan of regulation....in the history of the world.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:33 am to
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He thinks that wireless technology is going to change the dynamics of the internet so much that it will end cronyism and take care of every other facet of the subject at the same time.

I think.........nay, I know that economics applies always.

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It's a pretty simplistic view, but he'll tell you that it's such a simplistic issue.
Said every fan of regulation in the history of the world.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:39 am to
And the circle goes round and round, how much spectrum is avalable and who controls it?

There is no free market as it is already perverted by fedgov.

The roadblocks to entry in this market were set up decades ago.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:42 am to
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And the circle goes round and round, how much spectrum is avalable and who controls it?
Irrelevant. I know I know. You're a techie. In THIS case, you feel economics are suspended.

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There is no free market as it is already perverted by fedgov.
Well, typically, when I say, "x is already fricking something up", my solution isn't, "frick, do more of X"

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The roadblocks to entry in this market were set up decades ago.
In the history of the world, no economic road block has EVER held up long terms absent government assistance.

Contemplate that as you support NN.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:49 am to
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Contemplate that as you support NN.


My support for it last only as long as the monopolies stand, I am a open pipe proponent and see no need for NN were that (actual free market) to happen.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:53 am to
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My support for it last only as long as the monopolies stand,
NN literally guarantees this will last MUCH longer.

Look. I know I'm climbing uphill here folks. But really. I ask you guys to take a few moments to research arguments in the past over companies that were supposed to be impossible to compete with.

When you look back at those arguments, the people on the "they are too big" side literally look dumb 100% of the time.

With the gift of hindsight, you are able to see what they refused to even consider.

You seem a willing person. Play devil's advocate with yourself. Do as I asked.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:00 am to
If you are unable to comprehend the difference between blockbuster and AT&T there is no reasoning with you.

Being the retailer of choice is quite different than having sole use of a wire into every home in the USA with laws preventing others from doing the same.

Even if 5g takes hold it will be a decade before it reaches most and will never service all.

This is the free market issue not NN
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
34314 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:57 pm to
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Said every fan of regulation....in the history of the world.


I'm no fan of regulation, but it has not always been a negative, like Child Labor Laws and workplace safety laws.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 5:41 pm to


Great thread.
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