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re: Jury rules against dad trying to save his 7-year-old from gender ‘transition’

Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:05 pm to
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:05 pm to
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I think this was probably just a woman who thinks she is doing the right thing for her child, despite the fact that I disagree with her.



LOTS of child abusers think what they are doing is right.

Hell, it is COMMON for child abusers to think what they are doing is right.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:06 pm to
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LOTS of child abusers think what they are doing is right.

Hell, it is COMMON for child abusers to think what they are doing is right


Yup.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28152 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:08 pm to
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If so, explain how it would be different. Oh. And be careful. "While scant", there is literature out there supporting about any damned thing you can think of.
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I would imagine that there’s some fine Muslim literature supporting clitorectomies.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:09 pm to
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Yup.



Yeah.

Hank's whole, "well, she doesn't seem to want to abuse the kid" line of argument is just dumb.

Courtrooms are littered with parents who abused their children thinking it was good.

Hell. Most Munchausen syndrome by proxy perps are actually motivated by good..........in their fricking heads
Posted by DeusVultMachina
Member since Jul 2017
4245 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:09 pm to
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find some language which lies somewhere between “bad decision“ and “blatant child abuse,“ and I may well agree to it.


Aggiehank: i know my argument is complete horseshite, can someone make it better for me?
Posted by DeusVultMachina
Member since Jul 2017
4245 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:10 pm to
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but I am not going to call her a child abuser for holding a view different than my own.


Aggihank: I'm not going call her a child abuser for chemically castrating and emotionally abusing her child
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:10 pm to
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I would imagine that there’s some fine Muslim literature supporting clitorectomies.


The amount of literature supporting adult/child sexual relationships completely dwarfs the amount of literature supporting the idea that a 7 year old trans needing to be castrated is a thing.

By hundreds of volumes.

I mean, ya know. It's "scant" for a reason.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:11 pm to
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Aggihank: I'm not going call her a child abuser for chemically castrating and emotionally abusing her child



Yeah.

And Hank has basically begged off even addressing the reality that it's pretty much certainty that the reason the child "feels like a girl" is because of mom in the first place.

Which, of course. IS ALSO child abuse!
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:11 pm to
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Are leftist actually defending castrating a 7 year old child?
There are probably a few Leftists who think this is a grand idea.

I am simply asserting that parents should retain the right to make medical decisions for their child, rather than subjecting all of us to a statewide statutory regimen telling all of us which decisions the State will condescend to ALLOW us to make for our children and which ones the State will graciously make on our behalf.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28152 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:12 pm to
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LOTS of child abusers think what they are doing is right.

Hell, it is COMMON for child abusers to think what they are doing is right.




Kiddy diddlers frequently defend what they do as “love”. I had no idea that your intentions determined whether or not arse raping a kindergartner is child abuse, but I didn’t go to law school.
Posted by DeusVultMachina
Member since Jul 2017
4245 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:13 pm to
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go target shooting this weekend. There are plenty of people in the population who think that’s a bad idea.

Spend all day Saturday gorging on ice cream and hot dogs. There are plenty of people who think that’s a bad idea as well.

Hell, go parachuting. I would not be surprised if there are millions of people who think that it would be a bad idea to do that with a small child. But you are a parent. You get to make that decision. Not the state.


Aggiehank: child abuse good. Target shooting bad. Parachuting bad. Hot dogs and ice cream bad.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:13 pm to
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Aggiehank: i know my argument is complete horseshite, can someone make it better for me?



What's funny is, while the whole chemical castration thing is bad, the REAL child abuse here is that the kid WANTS it in the first place.

The REAL child abuse came BEFORE even getting to this point.

If mom had told her son he was grotesquely fat ever day for 4 years to the point that the boy was afraid to eat and wanted a stomach staple..........NO ONE wouldn't see it for what it was.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:13 pm to
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I am simply asserting that parents should retain the right to make medical decisions for their child, rather than subjecting all of us to a statewide statutory regimen telling all of us which decisions the State will condescend to ALLOW us to make for our children and which ones the State will graciously make on our behalf.


I would certainly think that this is one medical decision that the state should quickly take out of the parent's hands.

Something like

"You can't change the sex of your 7 year old."

Simple, to the point. Easy. Not hard at all.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:14 pm to
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A parent should have the right to make the decision as to whether their child is just fine with crooked teeth or whether the parent will put the child in braces.
It's amazing that you think this is the same as deciding if their child should undergo hormone therapy.
Good Lord.

Another poster specifically asked a question about orthodontic work, and I respond to that question. You then pretend that it was I who inserted orthodontic work into the discussion.

It is like clockwork.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:15 pm to
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the kid WANTS it in the first place.



the kid doesn't want it. He's 7. He doesn't even know what he wants for Christmas yet, much less that he wants to be a she.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:15 pm to
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I am simply asserting that parents should retain the right to make medical decisions for their child
While you desperately ignore how they got to the point of this "decision" in the first place.

If she'd told the child he was fat for 4 years and then, he wanted a stomach staple at age 7 even though he is NOT fat..........you would see that for the grotesque abuse it was.

You only pretend to not see it here because it damages the left. That is your ONLY reason for existence in this thread.
Posted by DeusVultMachina
Member since Jul 2017
4245 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:15 pm to
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It is like clockwork.


You defend obvious child abuse.

It is like clockwork.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28152 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:15 pm to
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rather than subjecting all of us to a statewide statutory regimen telling all of us which decisions the State will condescend to ALLOW us to make for our children and which ones the State will graciously make on our behalf.


Why do you continue this dishonesty? You’re already subjected to it, yet you keep pretending that it would spring into existence the second we stopped letting crazy mothers chemically castrate their second grader.

And you call this a rational argument?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:15 pm to
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the kid doesn't want it. He's 7.
Well, my point is. She's groomed him for fricking years.

OF COURSE he thinks he's a girl. Hell. At this point, he probably thinks it's bad to NOT think he's a girl.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 2:15 pm to
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Hank already folded on (clitoral,circumcision) and let's be blunt here. There's ONLY one reason he did.

Because clitorectormies are considered bad by the left and are a "women's issue"

In EVERY other way, chemically castrating a 7 year old ex EXPONENTIALLY worse.
if you think that there exist in this entire universe only one distinction between those two procedures, you are not 1/10 as intelligent as I had originally believed you to be.
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