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Judge tosses dems suit contesting using military funds to build wall
Posted on 6/4/19 at 2:48 am
Posted on 6/4/19 at 2:48 am
Judge McFadden threw out dems suit citing a political clash which has legislative remedies rather than judicial. Per Fox.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 2:52 am to jimdog
quote:Good now build that wall.
threw out dems suit
Posted on 6/4/19 at 2:59 am to Armymann50
Memories
And who is gonna pay for it?!
All together now...... Americans!!!!!
And who is gonna pay for it?!
All together now...... Americans!!!!!
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:05 am to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
quote:
Memories
And who is gonna pay for it?!
All together now...... Americans!!!!!
Mexico tariffs just paid for it but thanks for keeping up your narrative anyway.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:17 am to MrLSU
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Mexico tariffs just paid for it but thanks for keeping up your narrative anyway
Sure they did.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:30 am to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Have you ever lived on the border?
Posted on 6/4/19 at 4:25 am to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
quote:
And who is gonna pay for it?!
I'll be willing to bet it wont be you!
Seriously people around here bitch and moan like they are actually paying some taxes.
Unless you are in the upper 5% of tax payers you don't pay shite.
Want to know who will pay for the wall?
The rich. Just like they pay for everything else in our system.
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 9:11 am
Posted on 6/4/19 at 4:57 am to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
quote:
Memories
And who is gonna pay for it?!
All together now...... Americans!!!!!
You freeloading liberals ain't never paid for something out of your own pocket in your sad, pathetic lives. Stop that fake whining bullshite
Posted on 6/4/19 at 5:19 am to FredBear
quote:
You freeloading liberals ain't never paid for something out of your own pocket in your sad, pathetic lives. Stop that fake whining bullshite
So if the companies carrying these goods that are tarriffed dont pass the tarriffs along to the American consumer, who do you believe it will get passed on to?
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:00 am to jimdog
CAVEOT: The following is based upon several news articles from outlets on both sides of the aisle. I have not yet found and read the actual Order.
The decision seems to be based entirely upon standing and the fact that no damages have yet accrued to the House because no funds have been spent yet. As such, this judge says that the House lacks standing to challenge the Emergency Declaration in court.
This ruling seems to be in conflict with an earlier ruling from the same District (different judge) that DID find the House to have standing to challenge Obamacare. (Both judges were GOP appointments). That conflict likely means a speedy appeal.
One could argue that the cases are NOT inconsistent, because funds HAD been expended in the Obamacare case. Under that theory, Congress could simply re-file as soon as any National Emergency Act money is expended on the Wall.
A California court has already ruled that private citizens DO have standing re the Emergency Declaration, and this judge said that Congress can always file amicus briefs in that private litigation.
The ruling also seems to turn in part upon the fact that Congress has a political remedy which is not available to private litigants, which makes perfect sense given that this is a case seeking an injunction. Injunctions are generally allowed only when no other remedy is available.
All in all, the ruling makes sense.
The decision seems to be based entirely upon standing and the fact that no damages have yet accrued to the House because no funds have been spent yet. As such, this judge says that the House lacks standing to challenge the Emergency Declaration in court.
This ruling seems to be in conflict with an earlier ruling from the same District (different judge) that DID find the House to have standing to challenge Obamacare. (Both judges were GOP appointments). That conflict likely means a speedy appeal.
One could argue that the cases are NOT inconsistent, because funds HAD been expended in the Obamacare case. Under that theory, Congress could simply re-file as soon as any National Emergency Act money is expended on the Wall.
A California court has already ruled that private citizens DO have standing re the Emergency Declaration, and this judge said that Congress can always file amicus briefs in that private litigation.
The ruling also seems to turn in part upon the fact that Congress has a political remedy which is not available to private litigants, which makes perfect sense given that this is a case seeking an injunction. Injunctions are generally allowed only when no other remedy is available.
All in all, the ruling makes sense.
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 8:31 am
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:06 am to jimdog
Guess what I haven't heard in awhile; the Taco Bell "Run for the Border" commercial
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:07 am to AggieHank86
quote:
A California court has already ruled that private citizens DO have standing re the Emergency Declaration
A ridiculous fricking ruling
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:50 am to NYNolaguy1
quote:If the tarriffs rise to a certain point, it will be cheaper to build them in the USA. Sorry, but I'm sick of paying for cheap goods that fall apart in months. I'd rather pay the price for American-made goods that last decades or longer.
So if the companies carrying these goods that are tarriffed dont pass the tarriffs along to the American consumer, who do you believe it will get passed on to?
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:54 am to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
quote:
Memories
And who is gonna pay for it?!
All together now...... Americans!!!!!
I'd be okay with that too, if it were the case. That's still better than continuing to accomplish nothing and offer crappy alternatives like your politicians.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:25 am to udtiger
quote:Agreed!
quote:
A California court has already ruled that private citizens DO have standing re the Emergency Declaration
A ridiculous fricking ruling
The citizens do have legislative alternatives through their REPRESENTATION on their taxation. That is the whole point of the House being Representative of the People and Senate being Representative of the States (individual entities).
If citizens have standing to oppose, what about the citizens who support? Duh!!! Legislative Representation for both! Maybe private citizens should elect better Representatives!
Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:36 am to Loserman
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I'll be willing to bet it wont be you! Seriously people around her bitch and moan like they are actually paying some taxes. Unless you are in the upper 5% of tax payers you don't pay shite.
You are kidding right? My tax bracket of 24% impacts my family, and I certainly don't belive I fall in that upper 5% you cite. Thanks.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:51 am to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
quote:
And who is gonna pay for it?!
All together now...... Americans!!!!!
And why shouldn't we? We will be the ones to benefit from it will we not? Do you expect someone outside the U.S. to pay for our infrastructure such as highways because much of the products moved on those highways is foreign made and imported to the states?
When you give other people the right to say how something is regulated because they helped pay for it you give up a lot of your rights. I don't want to be indebted to anyone other than myself. If our government used that approach we wouldn't be in the pickle that we're now in with trade and whatnot. I guarantee you if the Messicans paid for the wall they would have a substantial say concerning our immigration scenario from our southern border. Undoubtedly you have no clue of what taking care of your own means.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:54 am to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
quote:
And who is gonna pay for it?!
All together now...... Americans!!!!!
Worth every penny, too.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:58 am to jimdog
quote:
Judge tosses dems
Fingers crossed
Posted on 6/4/19 at 8:05 am to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
quote:
Memories
And who is gonna pay for it?!
All together now...... Americans!!!!!
I know it takes a few steps...BUT, the moment that ILLEGAL immigration is seriously curtailed, Mexico begins "paying for it". There is a reason Mexico assists the illegal immigration. They actually have people on our soil promoting the ways to get around some obstacles. It is because REMITTANCES are a major source of hard currency into the country. Cut that down, and Mexico is paying dearly.
In fact, I believe there should be a 100% tax on remittances to Mexico without documentation of the one sending.
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