re: Judge orders brain-dead pregnant woman removed from ventilator

If this is a new law then it is just a case of the hospital trying to protect themselves. Sucks but major hospitals can't just choose not to follow the law. Problem is Texas doesn't have a dictator that can exempt them from the law.

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This case highlighted a problem with the Texas law that sparked this incident. The law is too vague and acted as a ctach all for any dead comatose pregnant woman regardless of the circumstances surrounding it. If the law is going to remain in Texas, it needs to be tweaked with viability stipulations and clarifications/exemptions to be added to the law for scenarios just like this one.

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Wrong
. This case highlights a problem with so called 'small government ' right wing legislators /politicians who claim they want government out of our lives(Unless it's a woman's uterus , our bedrooms,personal lives ,etc......) In any other state this macabre spectacle would have ended weeks ago when the woman was declared 'dead' by the coroner. Even in Texas before this foolish & unnecessary law was passed by those small government legislators, the machines would have been turned off.

There is no such damn thing as 'dead comatose' woman. She is dead. There is no such thing as a 'brain dead' woman(Just as there is no such thing as 'heart dead'). She is dead .

They are artificially mimicking life by pumping oxygen into a slowly decaying corpse via 'mechanical parts'(lungs/heart).


It's the right wing obssession with fetuses/abortion which created this. The law states that air should be artificially pumped through the pregnant corpse (even against her & her family wishes) until the fetus is viable(which is around 30 weeks?)

The only law should be the machine should be turned off when . The coroner declares the person dead. If the fetus can survive outside the womb so be it , but to incubate it inside a corpse is sick.Mary Shelley if she were alive couldn't have imagined something so grotesque.

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Notice how all the anti-abortion types have vanished.

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Checking in.
Now what are we discussing now?
Let me read the thread and then I'll be back to tell you why you suck.

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Let me read the thread and then I'll be back to tell you why you suck.

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asurob1

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Some people were about to compare this to Terry Schiavo case. Not comparable.
Let the woman die in peace.

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There is no such thing as a 'brain dead' woman

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I'm afraid the law disagrees with you there sugar.

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It's the right wing obssession with fetuses/abortion which created this.

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Agreed. This case here is really a no brainer and really no different than a miscarriage. Pro-life crowd has no business fighting this issue. It's not an abortion or pro-life issue.

A fetus is not viable at 14 weeks. Nothing can be done for that. It's impossible.

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The law states that air should be artificially pumped through the pregnant corpse (even against her & her family wishes) until the fetus is viable(which is around 30 weeks?)

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This is where the law screws up. If that law is here to stay, it needs to depend on the viability of the fetus as determined by licensed medical doctors and professionals, not some misplaced sense of diginity of wanting to save a life and ignoring the reality of the situation. It needs an overhaul.

The way I see it, there are two unreasonable sides in this issue. One side wants to bring a fetus up to viability all the way from 14 weeks and be perfectly fine with or ignorant of the baby being completely deformed and living a very short and painful life. That's sick, creepy and inhumane. The other side has no problem with letting a clearly viable fetus die because the mother is brain dead and really gone. That's basically aborting a fetus and IMO only the mother has the right to abort the fetus. Nobody else should hold that right for her even when she's brain dead, not the state or next of kin. If there's nothing on the DNR stating otherwise, the fetus needs to be protected since it would be clearly viable.

If the baby may have been able to survive outside the womb, I have no problem with leaving her on life support long enough for a C-section. However, this clearly wasn't close.