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re: Judge orders brain-dead pregnant woman removed from ventilator
Posted on 1/24/14 at 8:29 pm to LSUGrrrl
Posted on 1/24/14 at 8:29 pm to LSUGrrrl
I mean the "some" part in "some here." 
It's a pro-life issue to some people here which is why I referred to them. I'm glad that for some others (most others?) it's not.
It's a pro-life issue to some people here which is why I referred to them. I'm glad that for some others (most others?) it's not.
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 8:33 pm to lsutothetop
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The woman is being left "alive" as literally nothing more than an incubator for the baby, and apparently this complete indignity and appalling violation of her rights is acceptable to some here.
This shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that the only part of a woman the state of Texas values is her birth canal.
It is beyond terrible what they put that family through and I have high hopes that the women of Texas remember shite like this come election time.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 8:52 pm to LSUGrrrl
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I am pro-life. This isn't a pro-life issue to me. This is no different than a miscarriage - when a woman's body alive or dead cannot carry a child to term and the child isn't viable on its own, the natural course is the death of the child. This is horrible but a fact of life throughout history.
Correct.
Viability is the only issue here. Nothing more.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 9:00 pm to sugar71
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Outside of quickly removing organs of a cadaver the whole idea of harvesting a fetus inside of a body is macabre.
The people even suggesting that bringing any fetus to term for weeks/months inside the womb of a cadaver are beyond reprehensible.
Yep.
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 9:02 pm to VOR
Yeah. I'm pro-life but I agree with that miscarriage analogy. She's dead. Keeping her as an incubator is just...........screwed.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 9:04 pm to LSUGrrrl
About time, at least the courts got it right.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 9:04 pm to lsutothetop
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I usually think it's a really ridiculous straw man when some people say that some pro-lifers think of women as nothing but baby incubators but in this case it's actually pretty clear.
The woman is legally dead and cannot recover from her condition. She left behind explicit instructions not to save her if she were rendered brain dead. But her body's physical life is being sustained, against her wishes, to save a non-viable fetus.
The woman is being left "alive" as literally nothing more than an incubator for the baby, and apparently this complete indignity and appalling violation of her rights is acceptable to some here.
This is disgusting.
Pretty much.
For the most part, I respect most of the so called "pro-live" arguments (a misnomer, but we'll let that slide for now) even though I more often than not disagree with their conclusions. But this case isn't even close, imo. It's like some of the "pro-life", "anti-abortion" people are borderline psychotic.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 9:25 pm to VOR
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It's like some of the "pro-life", "anti-abortion" people are borderline psychotic.
Yup, those who are arguing that the fetus was viable or that if it was close to viability then the mom should be kept alive against hers and her husband wishes are pretty repugnant.
They know who they are in this thread.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 9:41 pm to asurob1
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Yup, those who are arguing that the fetus was viable or that if it was close to viability then the mom should be kept alive against hers and her husband wishes are pretty repugnant.
I said if there was nothing on the DNR or any other official statement regarding pregnancy while she's such in a state.
Anyway, if the fetus was viable or close to viability and the husband still wanted to go through with pulling the plug, there would be an outrage against him.
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pretty repugnant
Way to paint with a broad brush.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:27 pm to Sentrius
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Way to paint with a broad brush.
No, it was pretty dead on.
There is more then one poster who actually didn't give a shite that the dead mom was being kept alive strictly as an incubator.
And you guys think I'm inhumane.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:46 pm to goldennugget
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fetus was never viable.
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Not true
14 weeks gestation at the time this began. Total clusterfrick. As an ER nurse who has been in triage for years I have told countless women under 20 weeks pregnant who were "spotting" that nothing will be done for the fetus. The concern under 20 WEEKS is the mother not the baby. Spotting under 20 weeks is a potential miscarriage. And there is no treatment for the fetus. Calling ALL of us murderers?
This whole thing is ridiculous. Viability or lack of was established by early gestational age and later ultrasounds that show what sounds like profound deformities and abnormalities. These will not improve while this fetus continues to gestate inside a dead womans body.
This is NOT an abortion issue. Thump your bibles elsewhere. Were the woman 30+ weeks pregnant when she had this PE or whatever happened and the husband said "frick em' I can't handle it. pull the plug." Thats one thing. But 14 weeks and he is hell bent on murdering his baby??
Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:59 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Thats one thing. But 14 weeks and he is hell bent on murdering his baby??
Oh they will all go to the next topic and pretend they never said such a thing.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 11:00 pm to LSU alum wannabe
The catholics in this thread are creeping me out. They want to have a corpse harvest a fetus until birth? And to what end? I'd find it severely unlikely the fetus could survive the term of this Frankenstein pregnancy and even if it did it would probably live a short miserable life. If people want to put the husband through that I say they put their money where their mouth is. Pay for the life support and adopt the baby yourself if it's so important.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 11:14 pm to Powerman
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Pay for the life support and adopt the baby yourself if it's so important.
I asked a couple of them if they were willing to pony up some cash.
They mysteriously vanished from the thread.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 12:48 am to LSUGrrrl
It seems odd to me that the hospital would be fighting this so hard if the baby was obviously damaged. Also the dnr was just via word of mouth. Also the husband has no say in the termination of pregnancy. If she is dead, then she is dead. She has no harm being done to her. I think the hospital isn't getting the full story out because of patient privacy concerns. As was mentioned, pregnant woman die all the time without this fiasco. I'm having a hard time believing this hospital and doctors are truly going rogue in a cruel science experiment. They can do that with rats.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 12:50 am to asurob1
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There is more then one poster who actually didn't give a shite that the dead mom was being kept alive strictly as an incubator.
We are on the same page with this issue , but being 'kept alive' is misleading & the issue many people are having. She is dead.
"Brain dead" is a poor & misleading term. When someone's heart stops beating we don't call it a "cardiovascular death" or use "the term "heart dead". The person is simply dead .
Life, conciousness , existence , our every being ,etc.....are centered in the brain & not the heart. And when the brain is truly dead there is no more life.
The heart & lungs are just 'mechanical parts' that are being artificially pumped with oxygen ,but the brain is decomposing(no oxygen).
The body is also slowly undergoing atrophy. THe 13 year old California girl whose brain , muscle & organs are undergoing a slow atrophy can serve as an example of this horrible experiment.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 12:59 am to LSU alum wannabe
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This is NOT an abortion issue. Thump your bibles elsewhere. Were the woman 30+ weeks pregnant when she had this PE or whatever happened and the husband said "frick em' I can't handle it. pull the plug."
As a Nurse are you saying that at 30 weeks it's okay to harvest a fetus inside the womb of a dead woman (against her wishes) for several more weeks/couple months for a full term or near full term birth?
Or are you saying that the fetus should be immediately removed & put in an artificial incubator of it's own?
I have absolutely no problem with removing a potentially viable fetus & placing it in an incubator, but using a dead body as the incubator after death is just a freakish thing to me.
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 1:03 am
Posted on 1/25/14 at 3:00 am to C
I believe this is a new law passed in TX and this is the first time it's been applicable since the law was passed. The hospital has said repeatedly that they cannot disconnect the life support due to law.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 5:23 am to LSUGrrrl
Posted on 1/25/14 at 5:44 am to sugar71
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As a Nurse are you saying that at 30 weeks it's okay to harvest a fetus inside the womb of a dead woman (against her wishes) for several more weeks/couple months for a full term or near full term birth?
No. If she were 30 weeks along this would not be an issue. But she was not. She was 14 weeks from my understanding. A few days or couple weeks would not be a problem "implied consent" of the mother may be argued then, but 2-3 months is ridiculous. And even at 30 weeks decisions would be based on ultrasound.
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