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re: Judge Beryl Howell goes all in blocks another Trump EO - Perkins Coie

Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:03 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:03 am to
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Exactly. They would have thrown him in prison if they could have. Just like they tried before this election.

You're talking about the DOJ, not Perkins Coie

Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:03 am to
Asking the "legal eagles" about this. There has to be something, somewhere that it is written on just how widespread the jurisdiction is for these judges. I am not sure, as an example, why some random judge in San Fransisco would have any say on what I can or can not do in Mississippi. If's there is something written that limits these injunction and restraining orders, why doesn't the SCOTUS curb stomp some of these asshat rulings?
This post was edited on 5/3/25 at 12:43 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:04 am to
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What about interfering with his 2020 run?

So we've shifted from Perkins Coie to the DOJ in 2016-2017 to some vague allegations in 2020?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:05 am to
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Now he's moving into the attack phase because he can not and will not address the concern.

What concern?

I called the impending reliance on vague conspiracies and the very next post was such a post.

It has nothing to do with pivoting, which was your response.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:05 am to
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As I said, if you want to revoke security clearances for illegality from Russiagate, remove the DOJ's.

DOJ =/= Perkins Coie


You are lying again.


Section 1. Purpose. The dishonest and dangerous activity of the law firm Perkins Coie LLP (“Perkins Coie”) has affected this country for decades. Notably, in 2016 while representing failed Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, Perkins Coie hired Fusion GPS, which then manufactured a false “dossier” designed to steal an election. This egregious activity is part of a pattern. Perkins Coie has worked with activist donors including George Soros to judicially overturn popular, necessary, and democratically enacted election laws, including those requiring voter identification. In one such case, a court was forced to sanction Perkins Coie attorneys for an unethical lack of candor before the court.


Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
26904 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:05 am to
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So we've shifted from Perkins Coie to the DOJ in 2016-2017 to some vague allegations in 2020?


My allegation is quite specific.

Edit: Also, i just jumped into this conversation like 10 minutes ago, so i haven't shifted at all.
This post was edited on 5/3/25 at 10:07 am
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6369 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:06 am to
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You're talking about the DOJ, not Perkins Coie



Wrong. I am talking about the effort from activists and the includes:

Section 1. Purpose. The dishonest and dangerous activity of the law firm Perkins Coie LLP (“Perkins Coie”) has affected this country for decades. Notably, in 2016 while representing failed Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, Perkins Coie hired Fusion GPS, which then manufactured a false “dossier” designed to steal an election. This egregious activity is part of a pattern. Perkins Coie has worked with activist donors including George Soros to judicially overturn popular, necessary, and democratically enacted election laws, including those requiring voter identification. In one such case, a court was forced to sanction Perkins Coie attorneys for an unethical lack of candor before the court.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:06 am to
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there's more than enough evidence to reach the conclusion that they were trying to get him out of office.

The DOJ? Or Perkins Coie?

What actions related to Russia-gate do you have by Perkins Coie post-election ( you said "out of office" which implies post-election) to defend this?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:06 am to
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I don't see how this wouldn't be grounds for security clearance removal.

Then remove them for the DOJ, because that's the only actors being discussed in that post.

Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:07 am to
Perkins Coie is a super powerful D.C. firm.

It was expected that they would get some hits in.

They know who is who and how to land the right judges.


This post was edited on 5/3/25 at 12:17 pm
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6369 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:07 am to
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Then remove them for the DOJ, because that's the only actors being discussed in that post.




Lying again......


Section 1. Purpose. The dishonest and dangerous activity of the law firm Perkins Coie LLP (“Perkins Coie”) has affected this country for decades. Notably, in 2016 while representing failed Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, Perkins Coie hired Fusion GPS, which then manufactured a false “dossier” designed to steal an election. This egregious activity is part of a pattern. Perkins Coie has worked with activist donors including George Soros to judicially overturn popular, necessary, and democratically enacted election laws, including those requiring voter identification. In one such case, a court was forced to sanction Perkins Coie attorneys for an unethical lack of candor before the court.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
84057 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:08 am to
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Then remove them for the DOJ, because that's the only actors being discussed in that post.

Guys from PC with security clearances hired Fusion, put forth known bullshite classified dossier as fact.
This post was edited on 5/3/25 at 10:09 am
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:08 am to
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What actions related to Russia-gate do you have by Perkins Coie post-election ( you said "out of office" which implies post-election) to defend this?


You may want to back up and see what you and I are discussing. It's the goal of Russia-gate.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6369 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:09 am to
That was used in an attempt to remove Trump from office. Used to remove his AG...etc.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:09 am to
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You are lying again.

No I'm not. You just don't understand what's being discussed.

What you bolded has nothing to do with the actual allegations of illegality being posted in this thread (which are exclusively acts of the DOJ).

What you bolded is something else. I described it earlier ITT:

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Based on that argument, any political campaigning for the losing side is now "attempting to overthrow an elected government", which is patently absurd.


Punishing someone for representing your political opponent (or someone associated with that opponent) in a race is viewpoint discrimination pretty clearly.
This post was edited on 5/3/25 at 10:10 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:10 am to
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My allegation is quite specific.


What's your allegations about Perkins Coie and the 2020 election?

Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6369 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:11 am to
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No I'm not. You just don't understand what's being discussed.



Oh I do. It's just you not wanting this:

Section 1. Purpose. The dishonest and dangerous activity of the law firm Perkins Coie LLP (“Perkins Coie”) has affected this country for decades. Notably, in 2016 while representing failed Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, Perkins Coie hired Fusion GPS, which then manufactured a false “dossier” designed to steal an election. This egregious activity is part of a pattern. Perkins Coie has worked with activist donors including George Soros to judicially overturn popular, necessary, and democratically enacted election laws, including those requiring voter identification. In one such case, a court was forced to sanction Perkins Coie attorneys for an unethical lack of candor before the court.


To be part of the topic anymore because it kills all of your stupid takes on this.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:11 am to
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Guys from PC with security clearances hired Fusion, put forth known bullshite classified dossier as fact.

In an election as campaign fodder.

Has literally nothing to do with the DOJ using it illegally in FISA court.
Posted by ole man
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
16660 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:11 am to
The fricking judge doesn’t get security clearance why should thes law firms
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
26904 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:12 am to
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Based on that argument, any political campaigning for the losing side is now "attempting to overthrow an elected government", which is patently absurd.


You think Russia-Gate was typical campaigning? There's zero substantive difference between that and a political ad ran on TV?
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