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re: Judge Beryl Howell goes all in blocks another Trump EO - Perkins Coie

Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:30 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:30 am to
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another post to extend the thread, just like court, right?

I'm pretty well known for my efficiency in court, actually.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:31 am to
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Irrelevant to my point.

I tried to help you and make your point relevant
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:31 am to
Shut the frick up the admin can choose what contractor to do business with and they can pull any security level they want. I hate progressives…
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465257 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:32 am to
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Perkins Coke is a domestic security risk for the United States

Has not been proven above echo chamber ramblings.

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because its actions were a coordinated attack to overthrow the elected government



Calling this histrionics is being too kind.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
83731 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:32 am to
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I tried to help you and make your point relevant

My point was spot on, viewpoint discrimination would have denied my Top Secret/SCI clearance period.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56403 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:34 am to
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No, I understand how the first amendment works


you are so laughably wrong.

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This is the federal government imposing a penalty on another party based on the viewpoint they held. That is unconstitutional any day. This is not even close.


Nope. He simply removed security clearances of those involved with the Russia hoax. You don’t even know the facts of the case, much less how the 1st Amendment works.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
23148 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:34 am to
Bottom line:
If TRUMP is involved, they gonna try and shut it down!

DEMS are digging a massive hole....
This post was edited on 5/3/25 at 7:42 pm
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:34 am to
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any political campaigning for the losing side is now "attempting to overthrow an elected government"


lol

You carried your fun a little too far on that one.

You’re not this stupid.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
21955 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:36 am to
No you don’t
Posted by CR4090
Member since Apr 2023
8082 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:37 am to
Maybe Trump needs to start shitting on these judges. That will at least get Roberts to respond.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465257 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:37 am to
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You carried your fun a little too far on that one.

You’re not this stupid.

No. I'm just not extrapolating for histrionic effect.

At best, your argument starts with the DOJ, but you still have a long way to show anything close to "overthrowing" (post-election actions to remove Trump are basically non-existent).

You can't even pivot to impeachment, as those had nothing do with Russia-Gate.
Posted by Branson
Member since Dec 2023
178 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:40 am to
In your best legal opinion, who is intimately responsible for assigning or revoking security clearances? Is it congress? Is it these "impartial judges' ? Is it the president?
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:42 am to
What would you characterize the use of false information, knowingly and repeatedly, to mislead the FISA court for the purpose of surveilling the Administration and beginning the removal of a duly elected President?

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465257 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:42 am to
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In your best legal opinion, who is intimately responsible for assigning or revoking security clearances? Is it congress? Is it these "impartial judges' ? Is it the president?


It's the President, but the President is confined to behaving in line with the Constitution. The President must always act within his limited statutory and Constitutional authority, otherwise the action is illegal.

We just discussed this with the Aliens Enemies Act case yesterday/last night. Even in areas where the President has exclusive authority doesn't mean he has unlimited authority. He's always restrained by the Constitution (and/or statute, if the authority was given to him by Congressional act).
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:43 am to
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post-election actions to remove Trump are basically non-existent


- SFP
May 3, 2025
Posted by LuckyTiger
Someone's Alter
Member since Dec 2008
50841 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:43 am to
I may have to use that as my new sig quote.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62377 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:44 am to
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So , some of you are fine with a president targeting private law firms
that he doesn’t like? Would you feel the same if a Democrat did the same thing?


They aided a foreign, Russian-led scheme against a presidential candidate in favor of another. This derailed the will of the American people during Trump's first term. This is not "viewpoint discrimination."
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
9577 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:44 am to
patently absurd............But actively practiced in Germany, France, Romania , Ireland, England, Brazil , Pakistan, South Africa, Canada, Saudi Arabia, etc etc etc etc
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465257 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:45 am to
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What would you characterize the use of false information, knowingly and repeatedly, to mislead the FISA court

An action of the DOJ, not Perkins Coie.

Logically, Trump should strip the DOJ of its security clearances with this argument.

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and beginning the removal of a duly elected President?

What specific actions were taken pursuant to Russia-Gate to remove Trump?

Impeachment? No.

Ultimately he was vindicated and it was one of his larger political victories in his first term. It ended up being great for him.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62377 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:45 am to
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No. I'm just not extrapolating for histrionic effect.

At best, your argument starts with the DOJ, but you still have a long way to show anything close to "overthrowing" (post-election actions to remove Trump are basically non-existent).

You can't even pivot to impeachment, as those had nothing do with Russia-Gate.


I swear. This might be the dumbest poster on this website. Why do yall keep engaging with such obvious nonsense?
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