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re: Joy Reid calls church, family, police, military & national anthem tropes of a bygone era
Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:32 pm to Errerrerrwere
Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:32 pm to Errerrerrwere
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My son has lived in New Orleans his whole life and he’s a Chiefs and Spurs fan!
How in the world?!
I was stationed up near KC for awhile and still root for the Royals. Chiefs have their own regional gravity though. Definitely take him to a game at Arrowhead if you get the chance. Loudest outdoor venue I've been in for pro sports.
How'd he start following the Spurs? We really don't have a knack for catching non local fans unless they're from a country one of our players is from.
This season may be Manu Ginobili's last
Favorite player for me. Crazy following him as I've grown up and he's still contributing at a high level. 
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:44 pm to roadGator
quote:I love high-level sport, but I do find the concept of nations competing to be sort of depressing. I much prefer professional leagues that cross borders (FYI, most of the athletes themselves care much more about this also in sports where that is applicable such as basketball and soccer.)
FFS don't watch the Olympics or attend many sporting events. I guess all nations are creepy then.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:51 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I do find the concept of nations competing to be sort of depressing.
You're a weird frick, then.
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I much prefer professional leagues that cross borders (FYI, most of the athletes themselves care much more about this also in sports where that is applicable such as basketball and soccer.)
Those same athletes will pour their souls into international competition against each other.
Sports are a great way for talent to transcend borders (my all-time favorite football player is Vietnamese (Dat Nguyen) and all-time favorite basketball player is Argentinian (Manu Ginobili) ), but intra-nation competition is literally some of the most compelling sports theater out there.
This post was edited on 1/31/18 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:52 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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all-time favorite basketball player is Argentinian
He's pointing at you.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:53 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:Particularly with the pledge, yes, it is creepy to teach small children to pledge fealty to a flag/nation state. Communism much?
How is it "creepy" ? Thats an extremely bizarre description.
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May be bloated, but thats been the case for a long time now. Why do you expect Trump to be the one that changes that?
Trump is the president now. I expect him to make smart decisions on our behalf. Vastly increasing the military budget is a terrible decision. Also, Rumsfeld was in the midst of advising Bush on how to downsize the military when 9/11 hit. It's not like I wanted Bush or Obama to upsize the military budget.
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Also, military funding still creates a lot of jobs for the defense industry, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Rayteon,L3, etc. are all heavily involved in the defense industry and create a massive amount of jobs.
Great! Let's start spending all industry into free gains with the magic of federal taxpayer money! Communism much?
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So all police are bad now? Do the police do nothing good for the community? Is that all canceled out now because of the way police were 60 years ago? Was everything the police did bad even 60 years ago? You're making an extremely broad generalization.
I'll just ignore your strawmen and say that the concept in question here (according to the tweet, I didn't watch or read the SOTU address) is that Trump was appealing to some illusory notion of the halcyon days of a bygone era of respect for police. If that is the case, then I do find that appeal somewhat troubling because it completely ignores a lot of historical fact.
I'd be most comfortable if police powers in this country were dialed back (e.g. civil asset forfeiture) and the bad police were actually held to account by the good police.
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But can you at least give the people who do believe in the church the respect of having their own opinions?
Sure, believe whatever you want. When did I say anything different than that?
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I'm not a bible thumper and I don't even go to church much at all, but I can at least recognize the role Christian values have played in the history of the U.S.. Christian values even played a major role in freeing black slaves, and the idea of equal opportunity for ALL people in this country. Atheist or not, the religious impact on this country is UNDENIABLE.
The role of "Christian values" in supporting slavery for hundreds of years is UNDENIABLE also. I'm not sure what your point is.
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And what on this earth would motivate a family to stay together? What morals and values keep a family intact? From a purely atheist perspective, why should one get married and have a family?
This is a silly question and I'm not turning this thread into a debate on the metaphysics of morality. If your assertion is that only religious families have a "motivation" to stay intact/together, then I think most people will recognize that as a ridiculous premise.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:54 pm to roadGator
Timmy is the bedrock, and the GOATSpur.....but Manu is the soul!
Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:55 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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How in the world?!
fricking damn video games, man.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:55 pm to Big Scrub TX
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The role of "Christian values" in supporting slavery for hundreds of years is UNDENIABLE also. I'm not sure what your point is.
Greed enabled slavery. That's not a value in any religion.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:56 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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but intra-nation competition is literally some of the most compelling sports theater out there.
World Cup? Olympic hockey? World baseball classic? It's all about country.
And I'll see your Dat Nguyen and raise you a Hines Ward.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:57 pm to Big Scrub TX
I don't think you know what communism is.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:59 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Well, they sorta are (including family is stupid, though.)
How so?
Posted on 1/31/18 at 2:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Convenient and cute, but weak sauce.
Greed enabled slavery. That's not a value in any religion.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 2:04 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:I know what the Soviets made their citizens do. I want kids to grow up to be SKEPTICAL of the state - not mindlessly pledging their fealty to it before they can even understand what they are doing and form their own thoughts.
I don't think you know what communism is.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 2:05 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I love high-level sport, but I do find the concept of nations competing to be sort of depressing. I much prefer professional leagues that cross borders
I bet you are a believer of the whole "citizen of the world" thing too.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 2:07 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Convenient and cute, but weak sauce.
Youre dead wrong.
Religion played a huge part in anti slavery sentiment. You've got quite the bias
Posted on 1/31/18 at 2:12 pm to L.A.
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1950s
Last time America was great so....
Posted on 1/31/18 at 2:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I think you're confused about what I said. The other poster mentioned the role "Christian values" played in ending slavery. Yes, that's true. It's also only one side of the ledger. "Christian values" played a big role in the development and growth of slavery as well. I'm not the one with the bias. My favorite American of all time - Frederick Douglass - was a millenarian.
Youre dead wrong.
Religion played a huge part in anti slavery sentiment. You've got quite the bias
Posted on 1/31/18 at 2:16 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Christian values" played a big role in the development and growth of slavery as well.
Which ones? Love, charity?
Which values?
Posted on 1/31/18 at 2:21 pm to Big Scrub TX
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m is.
I know what the Soviets made their citizens do.
So is that what's happening here?
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I want kids to grow up to be SKEPTICAL of the state
Right wingers are almost always more skeptical of the state than the left.
You're all over the place, brotato chip.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 2:23 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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You're all over the place, brotato chip.
It's typical.
He doesn't understand the idea of justification vs values either.
No one claiming to follow the values of Jesus could own slaves.
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