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re: John King: Trump Surging With Working Class, Hispanics, Blacks…But A Giant Problem Appears
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:06 am to lake chuck fan
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:06 am to lake chuck fan
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Big cities are the bedding grounds for the liberal fricktards.
They tend to be made up of the very rich and the very poor, and a lot of those huge cities don’t tend to have much of a middle class due to cost of living / taxes.
You are either poor on handouts to subsidize living there or have so much money you are insulated from your stupidity for the most part.
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:12 am to teke184
good point. That cant be a big slice of voters though, can it?
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:14 am to Vacherie Saint
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Don’t disagree. And I think that’ll be a factor, just not a meaningful one.
It was a meaningful factor in 2018, 2020, and 2022.
The 2022 elections had purple-moderate areas in key locations literally flip to DEM in 2022 after going GOP in 2021 (when Trump was intentionally marginalized and kept from those races).
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:19 am to Vacherie Saint
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That cant be a big slice of voters though, can it?
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The reason why 2022 went from Red Tsunami to Red stream was the inability to flip these voters. Yeah the GOP did better, b/c it was a midterm election with an unpopular DEM government, but they didn't do well enough to have any meaningful impact due to their inability to flip these voters.
Look at the rural skyrocketing in 2022 to show how much of a minimal impact THAT population had.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:20 am to LuckyTiger
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“Trump is winning practically every rural and small town voter.”
That was true last time and its not going to move the needle
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:23 am to 14&Counting
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That was true last time and its not going to move the needle
It means the urban turnout machines need to be running at their peak in order to counter high turnout of the opposition.
Obama won states no Dem had won in decades because he had black people voting in high numbers at about a 98% clip for him.
If Trump is getting the outskirts of every state voting for him in high percentages, that doesn’t get him Cali, NY state, etc, but it means that Detroit, Atlanta, Phoenix, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Philly, and elsewhere will need massive turnout.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:24 am to LuckyTiger
Plus the 25% to 40% of Rep in every primary that didn't vote for Trump, will vote for Biden over Trump.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:24 am to SlowFlowPro
Things are different now. There's no running from the reality of Biden's age and Trump is now being seen more as a victim than the antagonist. It'll be interesting to see how that manifests with these voters. Maybe they break for RFK. That'd make more sense.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:25 am to teke184
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It means the urban turnout machines need to be running at their peak in order to counter high turnout of the opposition.
Urban support for Biden in 2020 was lower than HRC in 2016.
Look at what demos flipped from 2016 to 2020: suburban voters.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:27 am to Vacherie Saint
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Things are different now.
What's different from now and 2022? They had higher inflation rates, crime, etc.
Which demo flipped party from 2016 and 2020?
There is ONE issue that can play for Trump, and it's the border situation.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:28 am to LuckyTiger
White womxn
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:29 am to SlowFlowPro
You are spamming the thread now and not reading what you are responding to (as usual). we were talking specifically about white single female college educated suburban swing voters specifically. women who might vote single issue on abortion.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:29 am to lake chuck fan
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What's your response after Trump wins?
For Trump to win he has to thread the electoral college needle like he did in 2016. I can assure you without the voters being discussed in this thread - college educated moderates and independents in the suburbs he isn't winning Georgia or Arizona. Trump can't get to 270 without those States there is no path for him. When Trump loses yet again wil you just scream 'fraud' 'cheating' 'rigged' etc.? There are already people doing that on here and the first vote hasn't even been cast
To many on here Trump can only lose via 'cheating' and 'fraud' it has nothing to do with his ridiculously low approval ratings or his issues with college educated suburban voters most specifically women.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:32 am to Vacherie Saint
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we were talking specifically about white single female college educated suburban swing voters specifically. women who might vote single issue on abortion.
But the population giving Trumpism problems is clearly larger than that and more significant than other demos.
That's the point. This issue isn't about suburban white women. It's about successful suburban people. Trumpism has lost enough support from this historically crucial GOP demo to lose 3 straight elections. Educated white women would not be enough to do this.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:32 am to LuckyTiger
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“College educated suburban voters…Trump is bleeding them. That’s going to be a problem for him.”
Can't think of more repugnant group of people than college educated suburbanites if this is actually true. Absolutely repugnant and disconnected from other socioeconomic stratas, deeply self-centered and deeply status obsessed and always being on board for whatever the "next thing" is. They will run your kid over and throw him in the river if it gets little Thaddington Jr. Into the elite kindergarten program.
This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 9:34 am
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:33 am to tiggerthetooth
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Can't think of more repugnant group of people than college educated suburbanites. Absolutely repugnant and disconnected from other socioeconomic stratas, deeply self-centered and deeply status obsessed and always being on board for whatever the "next thing" is. They will run your kid over and throw him in the river if it gets little Thaddington Jr. Into the elite kindergarten program.
Well that's a take.
Just called out like 75% of this board's population
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:35 am to LuckyTiger
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“College educated suburban voters…Trump is bleeding them. That’s going to be a problem for him.”
Overly educated brainwashed liberals who think racism is worse in 2024 than it was in 1960's because their professor said so.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:37 am to riccoar
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Overly educated brainwashed liberals who think racism is worse in 2024 than it was in 1960's because their professor said so.
That's more of your urban college educated voters.
The suburban types are your small business owners and professional classes who work in urban areas but reject the super liberal culture.
The educated suburban voter is who you think of as the traditional GOP voter. They were the standard bearer from at least the 60s to Trump.
This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 9:38 am
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well that's a take.
Just called out like 75% of this board's population
Its called the managerial class and they're the worst thing to ever happen to America.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:38 am to SlowFlowPro
Everything is different now. Dont be obtuse.
The horse is out of the barn with Biden's mental acuity and now the border has eclipsed inflation as the #1 issue. The polling makes that clear, and this was not a significant talking point during the midterms since these people were not on the ballot. You said it yourself... The potus being on the ballot changes things.
As for issues, Trump doesnt "just have the border". He has the economy which is a "1a/1b" issue with immigration atm. He also kills Biden on national security, crime, and these silly wedge issues like Trans in sports, etc...
Trump will be hard to beat in a fair fight. If the harvesting apparatus in the new battleground states for republicans is strong, and they can strike early, it should be a good night for the R's. Will it be a wave? Probably not. I think waves are a thing of the past.
The horse is out of the barn with Biden's mental acuity and now the border has eclipsed inflation as the #1 issue. The polling makes that clear, and this was not a significant talking point during the midterms since these people were not on the ballot. You said it yourself... The potus being on the ballot changes things.
As for issues, Trump doesnt "just have the border". He has the economy which is a "1a/1b" issue with immigration atm. He also kills Biden on national security, crime, and these silly wedge issues like Trans in sports, etc...
Trump will be hard to beat in a fair fight. If the harvesting apparatus in the new battleground states for republicans is strong, and they can strike early, it should be a good night for the R's. Will it be a wave? Probably not. I think waves are a thing of the past.
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